DENIAL of US Passport because of Birth Delivered by Midwive

[Zigner]

No she does not have a SS card and I never said DOS "must" accept the Sec. Evid. I said it is not required as they are no statue or law that states that.

So, what's the problem? Oh yeah, you want a passport and the DOS is requiring (as is there prerogative) a state-certified birth certificate as opposed to your souvenir copy or your family bible.

Now you've got a dilemma. I would suggest that you securely attach the foil hat and go obtain what is being requested. You're going to need it for the Social Security number soon anyway...

 

[TinkerBelleLuvr]

Get that birth registered because next you'll be screaming that you can't take your child as a dependent on your taxes.

 

[Proserpina]

No she does not have a SS card and I never said DOS "must" accept the Sec. Evid. I said it is not required as they are no statue or law that states that.

You are completely misunderstanding things.

But please be honest - what is your actual intention here? You wish to have a passport for your child, but are unwilling to obtain a social security number/card? What purpose does that serve?

 

[SAJV]

Some regard social security numbers, on religious grounds, as the "mark of the beast"

There are citizens who regard social security numbers, on religious grounds, as the "mark of the beast" (Amish for example)
I am old enough to have a social security card with the promise made by the federal government printed on it "For social security purposes ---NOT for identification" (pre 1962)
Some may be legitimately hiding from a former abusive spouse, a stalker, poperotzee etc

 

[Proserpina]

There are citizens who regard social security numbers, on religious grounds, as the "mark of the beast" (Amish for example)
I am old enough to have a social security card with the promise made by the federal government printed on it "For social security purposes ---NOT for identification" (pre 1962)
Some may be legitimately hiding from a former abusive spouse, a stalker, poperotzee etc

There are also legal remedies for such people....

 

[proud_parent]

Some may be legitimately hiding from a former abusive spouse, a stalker, poperotzee etc

Vatican photographers?

 

[Proserpina]

Vatican photographers?

AHAHAHAHA that's so going in my siggy line

 

[Dillon]

US Dept. of State website does clearly states that a BC certified by the city, county or STATE is required. Is there a reason the midwife didn't sent it to be certified?

yeah, i would just get all nativity documents certified by a notary with the seal of the state stamped on them. Now, you have an officially certified state birth/nativity certificate.

or

i woud notify them to do their job and follow the regulations, as the family and witness are in fact members of the Organic State and we certify the childs nativity, so whats the issue?

 

[Proserpina]

yeah, i would just get all nativity documents certified by a notary with the seal of the state stamped on them. Now, you have an officially certified state birth certificate.

or

i woud notify them to do their job and follow the regulations, as the family and witness are members of the Organic State and we certify the childs nativity, so whats the issue?

Look seriously - y'all have got to make some serious posts. This funny stuff is doing havoc to my poor monitor....

 

[Dillon]

Look seriously - y'all have got to make some serious posts. This funny stuff is doing havoc to my poor monitor....

again, did i post something incorrect or untrue? Yes or No?

is that your personal and arbitrary opinion or is it base on facts ?


What facts?

unless you have a better answer? it my understanding, in a constitutional republic the people act thru their representatives or do it themselves, power delagated are not power lost, correct? yes or no?

 

[Proserpina]

again, did i post something incorrect or untrue? Yes or No?

is that your personal and arbitrary opinion or is it base on facts ?


What facts?

unless you have a better answer? it my understanding, in a constitutional republic the people act thru their representatives or do it themselves, power delagated are not power lost, correct? yes or no?

Do explain exactly what you meant by the phrase "Organic State".

 

[Dillon]

Do explain exactly what you meant by the phrase "Organic State".

orgaic means living not inanimate.

great question, its my understanding, We the People are members of the Living State not a governmental legal fiction.

Benjamin Franklin expressed the concept when he wrote, "In free governments the rulers are the servants and the people their superiors and sovereigns.

 

[Proserpina]

great question, its my understanding, We the People are members of the Living State not a governmental legal fiction.

Benjamin Franklin expressed the concept when he wrote, "In free governments the rulers are the servants and the people their superiors and sovereigns.

I asked you to explain.

You did not do so.

Why is that?

 

[Isis1]

I asked you to explain.

You did not do so.

Why is that?

i read that 3 times...i didn't get it either....

 

[Dillon]

i read that 3 times...i didn't get it either....

so, you want me to do your homework?

Organic Definition:

1 archaic : instrumental
2 a : of, relating to, or arising in a bodily organ b : affecting the structure of the organism
3 a (1) : of, relating to, or derived from living organisms <organic evolution> (2) : of, relating to, yielding, or involving the use of food produced with the use of feed or fertilizer of plant or animal origin without employment of chemically formulated fertilizers, growth stimulants, antibiotics, or pesticides <organic farming> <organic produce> b (1) : of, relating to, or containing carbon compounds (2) : relating to, being, or dealt with by a branch of chemistry concerned with the carbon compounds of living beings and most other carbon compounds
4 a : forming an integral element of a whole : fundamental <incidental music rather than organic parts of the action &#8212; Francis Fergusson> b : having systematic coordination of parts : organized <an organic whole> c : having the characteristics of an organism : developing in the manner of a living plant or animal <society is organic>
5 : of, relating to, or constituting the law by which a government or organization exists



State Definition:

In the United States, one of the commonwealth, or bodies politic, the people of which make up the body of the nation, and which, under the national constitution, stands in certain specified relations with the national government, and are invested, as commonwealth, with full power in their several spheres over all matters not expressly inhibited.


i hope you understand the dictionary?

again, powers delagate are not powers lost, your silence equate to agreement.