is cashing out a casino voucher really a crime?

[>Charlotte<]

Nda
Ôda
Nde
C'am
N...taj
Tsaa
Haw
Maley
Nee
Geen
Non
Nyet
Nein


Come on, I can do this all night.

Oh - the English version would be the beautifully succinct "no".

Hail naw
Uh uh
Nope
You wish
Fat chance
Seriously?
Oh please
Not in a million years
In your dreams

 

[Antigone*]

Hail naw
Uh uh
Nope
You wish
Fat chance
Seriously?
Oh please
Not in a million years
In your dreams

You left off my favorite one

Oh hell no !!!:roll da head emoticon:

 

[>Charlotte<]

You left off my favorite one

Oh hell no !!!:roll da head emoticon:

Like, "Oh no he DI-INT!"?

Yeah, good one.

 

[Isis1]

Like, "Oh no he DI-INT!"?

Yeah, good one.

i am so glad i have no fluids on my desk.

 

[Antigone*]

Like, "Oh no he DI-INT!"?

Yeah, good one.

You know C, our emoticon petitions never went anywhere :tears:

I guess they thought we'd have too much fun ~ but we can still make up our own...

 

[>Charlotte<]

You know C, our emoticon petitions never went anywhere

That might be my fault. I whined to Mary about wanting a social section, then when we got one nobody used it and it was recently deleted. This is probably like when your six year old begs for a puppy and swears he'll take care of it.

 

[Proserpina]

i am so glad i have no fluids on my desk.

That would be because said fluids are currently being wiped off of my monitor...

Seriously people!

 

[Proserpina]

That might be my fault. I whined to Mary about wanting a social section, then when we got one nobody used it and it was recently deleted. This is probably like when your six year old begs for a puppy and swears he'll take care of it.

Could we please maybe perhaps if everyone is ok with it and it doesn't offend anybody and we'll all really be nice and kind and gentle ....

Sod it.

Could we please re-petition for such a social section?! Pweeeeeeeeze?!

I'll be nice. Pwomiss

 

[>Charlotte<]

Sod it.

I'll bet you sound like Joanna Lumley when you say that.

 

[steel9]

You cashed out someone elses voucher without their permission. In the eyes of the law thats a crime. You could of told a employee of the casino the situation or just walked away. Consider this a tough & soon to be expensive lesson learned. Good-luck.

 

[Ohiogal]

My advice to the OP:

He needs to take this to court. He needs to make this argument in court. Even if he is NOT an attorney he needs to go to court and argue this. I'll bring popcorn. I'm rooting for him.

I gave it to him in another thread that he had -- https://forum.freeadvice.com/child-...instead-child-support-payments-447425-p2.html
I will just keep repeating it verbatim on ALL of his threads.

 

[Antigone*]

That might be my fault. I whined to Mary about wanting a social section, then when we got one nobody used it and it was recently deleted. This is probably like when your six year old begs for a puppy and swears he'll take care of it.

I loved our social section. The troll busters was my favorite. If my memory serves me right cupcake over here was outted as a troll

I'm really surprised he hasn't gone crying to the moderators. He does that almost everytime.

 

[Bright32]

Many defense avenues.

First of all, you have a right to see ALL evidence/discovery prior to trial. Not sure of your state, but you can usually request that at pre-trial hearing. You'll be enticed with all sorts of really great plea bargains prior.

This is a tough battle to win, but keep in mind they have to prove beyond doubt that you actually committed theft. Whatever that definition may be in your state.

The "abandoned property" defense, with the "good faith" kicker is a good way to begin.

I know that in the Supreme Courts 6th district there are published court documents describing what a contract with a patron and a casino is. I'd have to re-look up the exact wording. In plane old english it states when someone puts money into a slot machine, they have entered into a contract with the casino. As soon as the patron wins a "round" or "hand", the casino gives up all rights to the money being played. The responsibility and rightful ownership then shifts to the patron. When the patron departs from the game, or machine, the contract is settled.

You can argue that translation within the publication as abandoned property. As the patron has declared no rights to that machine (including the ticket inside) by leaving. I don't know where your at, but the 6th District is in the Midwest/Michigan....etc...

Also, read the fine print on the back of these tickets. They are "bearer instruments"... Meaning there is NO identity attached. Whomever possesses such an instrument is the owner.

I lost in reading through a lot of garbage on this thread, did the original person sitting at the machine approach you for the ticket? Or was it the casino? Was there a complaint filed by the person at the machine?

Did you ever bother to look up casino policy? What does it say about "vacated machines with credits". That doesn't matter to a prosecution because State law will crush casino policy any day. But, if the casino policy says that it's not responsible for lost or even stolen tickets, it could back up your abandoned property defense based on the fact that they are admitting that it's the players responsibility to check tickets for accuracy and such, more importantly, being in possession of the damn thing. BECAUSE THEY ARE BEARER INSTRUMENTS and can be cashed/traded/negotiated/flushed down the ****ing toilet by whomever, without ever having to show identity!

Then there's the old, "well it wasn't yours in the first place"... Well a jury cannot use that in determining if the charges fit the crime your accused of.

In closing. Really? What dumb ass leaves their money in the machine at a friggin' casino? The real crime to me is more and more stupid people being born everyday! But you can't argue that in any court. Also, in regards to evidence. Demand them to track the ticket, video, witness statements, etc... Then pour it on!!!

NOTE: I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY. I'M JUST A CITIZEN THAT LOVES OUR SYSTEM. IT'S 400 YEARS OLD AND VERY REFINED. I LOVE THIS **** AND ASPIRE TO BE A LAWYER ONE DAY. THIS WHOLE RANT IS MEANT TO NOURISH A DEBATE. ONE OF WHICH I WILL WIN. Thank you...

 

[Bright32]

entrapment...

NO. I don't see how you could ever prove entrapment. That would be a "charge" or maybe even a civil case you'd have to file. A judge would never hear it, and probobly kick your royal behind in the parking lot if you hung around too long afterward.

 

[Zigner]

NO. I don't see how you could ever prove entrapment. That would be a "charge" or maybe even a civil case you'd have to file. A judge would never hear it, and probobly kick your royal behind in the parking lot if you hung around too long afterward.

Bright -

This thread is a month old. OP's gone