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A Lexus was left sitting in my neighbors yard recently. Locked up, alarm on, absolutely nothing showing in car interior (clean as a rental), flat tire, Illinois tag, backed in so tag doesn't show from the street.

Police came to investigate, said it obviously wasn't right, but since it wasn't reported stolen there was nothing they could do.

It's been sitting there for over a month. So the question is, at what point does it become my neighbor's property, and how does he go about claiming it as his?
 


Litigation!

Senior Member
buggywhip maker said:
Florida

A Lexus was left sitting in my neighbors yard recently. Locked up, alarm on, absolutely nothing showing in car interior (clean as a rental), flat tire, Illinois tag, backed in so tag doesn't show from the street.

Police came to investigate, said it obviously wasn't right, but since it wasn't reported stolen there was nothing they could do.

It's been sitting there for over a month. So the question is, at what point does it become my neighbor's property, and how does he go about claiming it as his?


My response:

This type of thing happens all the time. It's normal. People are always misplacing their expensive cars on other people's property - - especially when there's more to this story.

IAAL
 
No kidding...

Duh! I'm sure there is more to the story, we're all curious here.

My neighbor has communicated with the Cook county sheriff's dept and was told that the registered owner doesn't answer his phone, but they're under no obligation to go by and check things out. So much for official channels.

The original question remains unanswered.
 
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I'm not an expert but I believe after either 30 or 90 days (I'm leaning towards 30), you can file for the title. If you don't get an experts opinion here I would suggest calling a towing company and asking what they do as a start to doing research. My understanding is that towing companies routinely tow cars that are never claimed for one reason or another. Also, one potential snag you may run into while attempting to take possession of the car is lien holders on the title. Good luck and keep us informed as I'm really curious!
 
The two towing companies I called were of no help.

A couple of years ago, some generous person left an old, rusted out, two hundred pound propane tank in my yard, by the road. I called the city and asked them to come remove the item because it was laying in the easement. Their response was, "It's in your yard, it belongs to you. It's your problem." Possession, they say, is 9/10ths of the law. Who are "they," anyway?

I did talk to someone in the sheriff's office and was told to file an intention to claim abandoned property, advertise for 2 weeks in a local paper, and then if no one responds within 30 days of the ad ending, it becomes the claimant's property.

So my neighbor is taking that route. We'll see what happens.
 
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outonbail

Senior Member
buggywhip maker said:
The two towing companies I called were of no help.

A couple of years ago, some generous person left an old, rusted out, two hundred pound propane tank in my yard, by the road. I called the city and asked them to come remove the item because it was laying in the easement. Their response was, "It's in your yard, it belongs to you. It's your problem." Possession, they say, is 9/10ths of the law. Who are "they," anyway?

I did talk to someone in the sheriff's office and was told to file an intention to claim abandoned property, advertise for 2 weeks in a local paper, and then if no one responds within 30 days of the ad ending, it becomes the claimant's property.
So my neighbor is taking that route. We'll see what happens.

That route will be of absolutely no use in this case, but I had a good laugh, so I thank you for that!


Anyway, lets see,,,, a two hundred pound rusted out old propane tank left on your property is yours to keep, so the same rule must apply for a Lexus Huh?

Of course I've never seen a license or registration on any rusty old tanks, so this may just present a slight problem with your reasoning.

Your reasoning is of course, simply a pipe dream and the only way your friend is going to end up with the legal title to this Lexus is by purchasing it from the legal owner for whatever their asking price may be. In fact, he can post all the ad's he wants and in every paper in the country, but you know what, the car will still not belong to him!

Now I'm in California, but I don't imagine the law will be that different in Florida, so here's what I suggest your friend should do.

either he can
A. Push it off of his property and forget it ever existed
or
B. Contact his favorite towing company and have them tow it off his property. The towing company will usually pull it into their storage yard, at no cost to him. You see how easy that is, problem solved, forget about it!

Now I imagine this will sound like a bad idea to anyone who believes the tooth fairy had intended for them to own this car, but such is life.

Now the towing company will do what is referred to as a "Private party impound" which basically covers their butt, so no one accuses them of stealing the vehicle. Since the towing company is in the business of towing and storing vehicles, they know all the legal avenues they must follow in order to lein sale the vehicle. Since the towing company acted in good faith and picked the vehicle up at the request of the property owner, where the vehicle was parked without the owners permission, everybody's butt will be covered.
This will be comforting to know, when the vehicle's owner returns for it and notices it missing. Because when he/she does, they will most likely be rather pissed off and threaten to sue anyone who had anything to do with their vehicle dissappearing.
So by the towing company having possession of the vehicle, the owner will have no legal grounds to go after the property owner, as they did the right thing by having the tow company pick up the vehicle and store it safely in their impound yard. The towing company becomes solely responsible for the safe storage of the vehicle from the minute they place it on their tow truck and they know and accept this. Because, the owner will be paying for the trouble they go through to do this. The towing company also has so many days, (usually within five to seven days) to begin the legal process of notifying the legal owner that their vehicle is in their possession and how much the charges are to release the vehicle. This paperwork is the beginning of the lein sale process and either the towing company themselves can file all the required paperwork, or they can pay a professional lein company to do it for them.
If the vehicle is worth less than a specific amount ($2,000.00 in California) then the vehicle can be sold to pay for the charges after roughly 45 days. If the vehicle is worth above the set amount, as it sounds like it is in your friends case, then it requires a long lein which will take a minimum of six months before the vehicle can legally be sold to satisfy the charges. Following either the short or long process, the vehicle can be sold with the paperwork generated during the lein process and the DMV will issue the new owner, a new title for the vehicle in exchange for all the lein papers.

That's how it works and there is no way around it.

Your friend can discover all this on his own by simply visiting the government body which is responsible for motor vehicles. It is usually called "The Department of Motor Vehicles" Going to the ad department at the local paper will not accomplish anything. Although, I'm sure they will take his $$$ to run as many useless ad's in their paper as he likes.

Now I know what your thinking, "Why can't my friend file a lein on this vehicle since he's storing it on his property?"
Well he could, if the vehicle owner contracted with him to store or repair the vehicle, or if his property was a legal storage business and he had signs posted which clearly listed the daily storage fee where the vehicle owner would have seen them and known of the fees when he decided to park his vehicle there. However, none of those things have been mentioned, so I assume they do not come into play here.

He'll just have to have a good talk with that tooth fairy if he's not happy with losing what he believed was about to be his new ride. But the bottom line is,,, the only right he has concerning the vehicle, is the right to have it removed from his property.
 
At long last, a response with some possibly useful information. It seems my analogy to rusted-out junk prompted someone into action.

Before I update the situation, I must say that the towing companies I spoke with refused to tow away a vehicle from private property without the owner's permission. Also, it seems irresponsible to push said vehicle off the property. Onto a neighbor's property, into the street? I think not.

Anyway, the neighbor got a phone call on Friday, from the leinholder in Illinois. She stated that the car owner had sold his house and left for parts unknown "months" ago, and they had been looking for him and the car, to no avail. It seems, however, that the guy's conscience got to him. He sent a letter to the leinholder stating that they could pick up the car out of his front yard and gave my neighbor's address. They then did a cross reference to get a phone number for the address and called the neighbor.

One thing the leinholder was curious about, why the police didn't do a leinholder search on the vehicle. It seems that is a good question, neither the department here or the one there did that.

So, mystery solved.
 

outonbail

Senior Member
buggywhip maker said:
At long last, a response with some possibly useful information. It seems my analogy to rusted-out junk prompted someone into action.

Before I update the situation, I must say that the towing companies I spoke with refused to tow away a vehicle from private property without the owner's permission. Also, it seems irresponsible to push said vehicle off the property. Onto a neighbor's property, into the street? I think not.

Anyway, the neighbor got a phone call on Friday, from the leinholder in Illinois. She stated that the car owner had sold his house and left for parts unknown "months" ago, and they had been looking for him and the car, to no avail. It seems, however, that the guy's conscience got to him. He sent a letter to the leinholder stating that they could pick up the car out of his front yard and gave my neighbor's address. They then did a cross reference to get a phone number for the address and called the neighbor.

One thing the leinholder was curious about, why the police didn't do a leinholder search on the vehicle. It seems that is a good question, neither the department here or the one there did that.

So, mystery solved.


The police are very busy so they focus all their attention on catching bad guys. Had the vehicle been reported stolen, illegally parked or a traffic hazard, (as in pushed into the street) they would have taken action to have the vehicle removed. But as long as it is not stolen or evidence of a crime, they don't bother wasting time trying to find owners and leinhilders. They're not the lost and found department.

Which is why we have the department of motor vehicles. You or your neighbor could have requested this information from the DMV just like the police could have. The only inconvenience is you/your neighbor would probably have had to do it in writing and provided a legitimate reason for wanting it. The vehicle being parked on your property is a legitimate reason. Keep this in mind next time a lexis or maybe even a Rolls Royce pops up out of nowhere. Because there is no tooth fairy and there is no Lexis fairy, just the DMV.

Just for information, the towing companies in California will do a private party impound on a currently registered vehicle, as long as it is the property owner who requests this and signs the paperwork stating the reason when the driver picks up the vehicle. The vehicle can not belong to the property owner or they would have to pay for the tow. In other words, they are not going to come tow your junk vehicles away free of charge because you claim you don't own them and don't know who does.
The police in my city can have a vehicle towed which is legally parked if someone calls them and tells them it has been left there unattended for an extended period of time or abanded. The police will post a 48 hour notice on the windshield then return following the 48 hour time period and have the vehicle towed away. Provided they have the time to bother with it. (We have a parking enforcement department which handles such requests or a meter maid if you will)
Most cities have similar procedures and fall under city ordinances. This is why you may notice signs in the parking lots of shopping centers which read "Vehicles towed at owners expense per city code# Balh Blah Blah."
 
Okay, you are well versed in car parking/abandonment issues. I think that's great, and if you had responded to the original post this all may have been resolved sooner.

However, I don't think everyone but me and my neighbor knows this oh-so-obvious information. None of the three officers who investigated, the officers at the sheriff's here and in Illinois, nor the folks at the towing companies suggested the DMV. None of the readers prior to yourself came up with that idea either, so I'm not alone in my ignorance.

I glad you had a good hoot at my expense, laughter is very thereputic. After spending over a month trying to get rid of someone else's abandoned property and getting no results from those we contacted, you don't know how satisfying it is to know that an answer was waiting all this time from such a good-hearted person as yourself.
 
buggywhip maker said:
I glad you had a good hoot at my expense, laughter is very thereputic. After spending over a month trying to get rid of someone else's abandoned property and getting no results from those we contacted, you don't know how satisfying it is to know that an answer was waiting all this time from such a good-hearted person as yourself.

Well deserved sarcasm at it's finest - well done! You know, I don't post much here unless I have to because of the high and mighty attitude of the supposed experts like this. I know my little post won't change anything but for what it's worth, you weren't treated with any respect that I could see and the answer, while helpful, was laced with attitude and smugness that was neither helpful nor I'm sure appreciated by you or anyone else with the smallest bit of a conscience. I'm glad you were able to help your neighbor get the car off of his/her property and you should commended for putting up with the attitude to help a neighbor. Good job!
 

outonbail

Senior Member
leafinator said:
Well deserved sarcasm at it's finest - well done! You know, I don't post much here unless I have to because of the high and mighty attitude of the supposed experts like this. I know my little post won't change anything but for what it's worth, you weren't treated with any respect that I could see and the answer, while helpful, was laced with attitude and smugness that was neither helpful nor I'm sure appreciated by you or anyone else with the smallest bit of a conscience. I'm glad you were able to help your neighbor get the car off of his/her property and you should commended for putting up with the attitude to help a neighbor. Good job!


laced with attitude and smugness? What about a lighthearted response by someone being a bit facetious? Sorry if you felt I was just being rude, next time I'll try for the warm and fuzzy version. Although the tooth fairy always made me feel good after finding that buck under my pillow as a kid.

BTW, I don't claim to be an expert in any posts I've made recent or in past. I guess I just thought it was common knowledge that the department of motor vehicles is the governing body which the public must deal with when it came to vehicle ownership and registration matters. Obviously I was wrong.

Must have gotten that impression while waiting in line on one of those hundreds of trips to the DMV to register or transfer ownership of a vehicle.
In fact I still find it hard to believe that in all those millions of people who have dealt with the DMV, that so few would remember who and where they were when they were handling registration matters with their own vehicles.
 
Thank you for your comments, Leafinator. Having read quite a few posts since finding this site, I am still amazed at those who use it to vent their spleen or to bloviate excessively when something like "Have you tried the DMV," would do the job nicely. Human nature, I guess, to try to elevate oneself above others.
 

ENASNI

Senior Member
buggywhip maker said:
Thank you for your comments, Leafinator. Having read quite a few posts since finding this site, I am still amazed at those who use it to vent their spleen or to bloviate excessively when something like "Have you tried the DMV," would do the job nicely. Human nature, I guess, to try to elevate oneself above others.


Oh stop trying to regurgitate the dictionary and go make some buggy whips.
People tried to help you and you have too thin of a skin.
 

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