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bradchilton4

Junior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Arizona

I recently found out I have a son who is almost two years old. I have not seen him and have recently filed a petition for child custody and to modify child support since it was established by DES. Now my ex tells me she wants her new husband to adopt my son. I fully consent to this since I have not seen the child and think it is the best thing for everyone.

My question is 'do I need to have the petition removed/dismissed before the adoption paperwork can go through?'

Thank you for your help!
 


Just Blue

Senior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Arizona

I recently found out I have a son who is almost two years old. I have not seen him and have recently filed a petition for child custody and to modify child support since it was established by DES. Now my ex tells me she wants her new husband to adopt my son. I fully consent to this since I have not seen the child and think it is the best thing for everyone.

My question is 'do I need to have the petition removed/dismissed before the adoption paperwork can go through?'

Thank you for your help!

How "new" is the husband?
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
It really doesn't matter to him how new the hubby is, he just better be ready for a judge to say no.

OP, are you really ready to give away a child like that?

Tigi, why would a judge say no if everyone agrees? I agree that dad is perhaps making a mistake, but reality is that if both mom, dad and stepdad agree, a judge would have not reason to say no to an adoption.
 

Just Blue

Senior Member
Tigi, why would a judge say no if everyone agrees? I agree that dad is perhaps making a mistake, but reality is that if both mom, dad and stepdad agree, a judge would have not reason to say no to an adoption.

Read the posting Hx of OP. :rolleyes:
 

Just Blue

Senior Member
Here's the only thread left. He deleted the one mentioned. :cool:

https://forum.freeadvice.com/child-support-98/child-support-custody-572767.html

Yes...But based on the deleted thread title...And that OP deleted...It seems to say alot. IMO.
 

Antigone*

Senior Member
Tigi, why would a judge say no if everyone agrees? I agree that dad is perhaps making a mistake, but reality is that if both mom, dad and stepdad agree, a judge would have not reason to say no to an adoption.

You never know, Ld. I am not in the judge's head ;)
 

latigo

Senior Member
Tigi, why would a judge say no if everyone agrees? I agree that dad is perhaps making a mistake, but reality is that if both mom, dad and stepdad agree, a judge would have not reason to say no to an adoption.

So, in the “World According to Ld” (WAL) a family court judge presiding over a petition for adoption is a mere functionary and his or her presence is merely to determine if “everyone agrees”. Right?

Could it possibly occur to you that the “everyone’s” that agree to the adoption COULD NOT POSSIBILY INCLUDE THIS INFANT CHILD?!

Or that the agreeable parties cannot possibly speak for the State of Arizona that through its various agencies - the Arizona Department of Economic Security (DES) Adoption Services, the AZ DES AFDC Division for Aid For Dependent Children, and the Arizona Attorney General - bears the responsibility of seeing to the continued well being of the minor child.
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Not wishing to engage in a debate with an unarmed opponent let me simply quote for you below one Section of the 35 separate Sections of the Arizona Revised Statutes devoted to the subject of adoptions.

After you have digested that Section, explain for me the sensibility of your rhetorical question: If the parties agree, HOW CAN THE JUDGE SAY NO?

ARS Section 8-105. Preadoption certification; investigation; central adoption registry
A. Before any prospective adoptive parent may petition to adopt a child the person shall be certified by the court as acceptable to adopt children. A certificate shall be issued only after an investigation conducted by an officer of the court, by an agency or by the division. A written application for certification shall be made directly to the court, to an agency or to the division, in the form and content required by the court, agency or division.
B. The division is not required to accept every application for certification. In determining which applications to accept the division may give priority to applications filed by adult residents of this state who wish to adopt a child who has any special needs as defined in section 8-141.
C. After receiving and accepting the written and completed application of the prospective adoptive parent or parents, which shall include a financial statement and a physician's or a registered nurse practitioner's statement of each applicant's physical health, the division, the agency or an officer of the court shall conduct or cause to be conducted an investigation of the prospective adoptive parent or parents to determine if they are fit and proper persons to adopt children.
D. The division shall not present for certification a prospective adoptive parent unless that person and each other adult member of the household have a valid fingerprint clearance card issued pursuant to section 41-1758.07. The prospective adoptive parent and each other adult member of the household must certify on forms that are provided by the division and that are notarized whether that person is awaiting trial on or has ever been convicted of any of the criminal offenses listed in section 41-1758.07, subsections B and C in this state or similar offenses in another state or jurisdiction.
E. An officer of the court may obtain a state and federal criminal records check pursuant to section 41-1750 and Public Law 92-544. The department of public safety may exchange this fingerprint data with the federal bureau of investigation.
F. This investigation and report to the court shall consider all relevant and material facts dealing with the prospective adoptive parents' fitness to adopt children and shall include:
1. A complete social history.
2. The financial condition of the applicant.
3. The moral fitness of the applicant.
4. The religious background of the applicant.
5. The physical and mental health condition of the applicants.
6. Any court action for or adjudication of child abuse, abandonment of children, dependency or termination of parent-child relationship in which the applicant had control, care or custody of the child who was the subject of the action.
7. Whether the person or persons wish to be placed on the central registry established in subsection M of this section.
8. All other facts bearing on the issue of the fitness of the prospective adoptive parents that the court, agency or division may deem relevant.
G. The investigator shall not reveal to the prospective adoptive parents the identity of a child or the child's parent or parents and shall not reveal to the child or the child's parent or parents the identity of the prospective adoptive parents if these facts are not already known.
H. Within ninety days after the original application prescribed by subsection A of this section has been accepted, the division or the agency or a person or agency designated by the court to conduct an investigation shall present to the juvenile court the written report required by subsection F of this section, which shall include a definite recommendation for certifying the applicant as being acceptable or nonacceptable to adopt children and the reasons for the recommendation.
I. Within sixty days after receiving the investigation report required by subsections F and H of this section, the court shall certify the applicant as being acceptable or nonacceptable to adopt children based on the investigation report and recommendations of the report. A certification remains in effect for eighteen months from the date of its issuance and may be extended for additional one year periods if after review the court finds that there have been no material changes in circumstances that would adversely affect the acceptability of the applicant to adopt.
J. The court may require additional investigation if it finds that additional information is necessary on which to make an appropriate decision regarding certification.
K. Any applicant who has been certified as nonacceptable may petition the court to review such certification. Notice shall be given to all interested parties and the matter shall be heard by the court, which may affirm or reverse the certification.
L. If the applicant is certified as nonacceptable, the applicant may not reapply for certification to the court, to any agency or to the division for one year.
M. The division shall maintain a central adoption registry that includes the names of all prospective adoptive parents currently certified by the court as acceptable to adopt children, except those who request that their names not be included, the names of all children who are under the jurisdiction of the division and who are currently available for adoption, the names of any other children who are currently available for adoption and whose names are voluntarily entered in the registry by any agency, parent or other person that has the right to give consent to the child's adoption, and other information as the division may elect to include in aid of adoptive placements. Access to information in the registry shall be made available on request to any agency under assurances as the division may require that the information sought is in furtherance of adoptive placements and that confidentiality of the information is preserved.
N. This section does not apply if:
1. The prospective adoptive parent is the spouse of the birth or legal parent of the child to be adopted or is an uncle, aunt, adult sibling, grandparent or great-grandparent of the child of the whole or half-blood or by marriage or adoption.
2. The birth or legal parent is deceased but at the time of death the parent had legal and physical custody of the child to be adopted and the child had resided primarily with the spouse of the birth or legal parent during the twenty-four months before the death of the parent.
3. The grandparent, great-grandparent, aunt, adult sibling or uncle is deceased but at the time of death that person had legal and physical custody of the child to be adopted and the child had resided primarily with the spouse of the grandparent, great-grandparent, aunt, adult sibling or uncle during the twenty-four months before the death of the grandparent, great-grandparent, aunt, adult sibling or uncle.
O. If the applicant has adopted a child within three years preceding the current application and is applying to adopt another child or is a foster parent who is licensed by this state, the division or agency or a person designated by the court to conduct an investigation shall only provide an update report on any changes in circumstances that have occurred since the previous certification or licensing report. If the applicant has adopted a child more than three years before the current application and is applying to adopt another child, the division or agency or a person designated by the court to conduct an investigation may provide an updated report on any changes in circumstances that have occurred since the previous certification or licensing report. The court shall certify the applicant as acceptable to adopt unless there are changes in circumstances that adversely affect the applicant's parenting ability. In making this determination, the court shall consider information from the prior certification or licensing report.
 

TheGeekess

Keeper of the Kraken
So, in the “World According to Ld” (WAL) a family court judge presiding over a petition for adoption is a mere functionary and his or her presence is merely to determine if “everyone agrees”. Right?

Could it possibly occur to you that the “everyone’s” that agree to the adoption COULD NOT POSSIBILY INCLUDE THIS INFANT CHILD?!

Or that the agreeable parties cannot possibly speak for the State of Arizona that through its various agencies - the Arizona Department of Economic Security (DES) Adoption Services, the AZ DES AFDC Division for Aid For Dependent Children, and the Arizona Attorney General - bears the responsibility of seeing to the continued well being of the minor child.
______________________

Not wishing to engage in a debate with an unarmed opponent let me simply quote for you below one Section of the 35 separate Sections of the Arizona Revised Statutes devoted to the subject of adoptions.

After you have digested that Section, explain for me the sensibility of your rhetorical question: If the parties agree, HOW CAN THE JUDGE SAY NO?
From your own quote:
N. This section does not apply if:
1. The prospective adoptive parent is the spouse of the birth or legal parent of the child to be adopted
or is an uncle, aunt, adult sibling, grandparent or great-grandparent of the child of the whole or half-blood or by marriage or adoption.
:cool:
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
The adoption must be found however to be in the best interest of the child per ARS 8-103. 8-115 states how the hearing must happen. Also 8-116 deals with the court orders.
The judge is NOT going to just rubber stamp any old agreement placed in front of him/her. Is it possible this adoption would be approved? Yes. It is also possible that it might not be found in the best interest of the child even if all parties agree.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
The adoption must be found however to be in the best interest of the child per ARS 8-103. 8-115 states how the hearing must happen. Also 8-116 deals with the court orders.
The judge is NOT going to just rubber stamp any old agreement placed in front of him/her. Is it possible this adoption would be approved? Yes. It is also possible that it might not be found in the best interest of the child even if all parties agree.

How many stepparent adoptions have you seen a judge deny if both biological parents are in agreement and the child is young enough not to have a voice? 1 in 10, 1 in 100, 1 in 1000? I have never seen or specifically heard of one denied. However, since you do deal with more potentially unfit parents I would expect that you would have been more likely to see one. Therefore I would really like to know the ratio.
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
How many stepparent adoptions have you seen a judge deny if both biological parents are in agreement and the child is young enough not to have a voice? 1 in 10, 1 in 100, 1 in 1000? I have never seen or specifically heard of one denied. However, since you do deal with more potentially unfit parents I would expect that you would have been more likely to see one. Therefore I would really like to know the ratio.

I don't do adoptions. What I stated is it is POSSIBLE. Did I say it was likely? NO. I stated the law that governs and what it requires. There are no guarantees in the law. It is plain and simple.Of course I have seen more cases than you have however as I am an attorney and you are, oh yeah, not. It amazes me how much you think you know about the law and the lack of your ability to post anything (law, caselaw) when requested in order to clarify your points. I post law and you criticize it because I didn't immediately GUARANTEE that a court can deny an adoption if they find it is not in the child's best interest? Hmmm, let's see, what is the relationship like between the child and the rest of her paternal family? What about half siblings dad may have? what about other factors other than dad wants out of paying child support? Oh yeah, you just go straight to the agreement --and yet the AGREEMENT may NOT be in the child's best interest depending on other issues.
 
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LdiJ

Senior Member
I don't do adoptions. What I stated is it is POSSIBLE. Did I say it was likely? NO. I stated the law that governs and what it requires. There are no guarantees in the law. It is plain and simple.Of course I have seen more cases than you have however as I am an attorney and you are, oh yeah, not. It amazes me how much you think you know about the law and the lack of your ability to post anything (law, caselaw) when requested in order to clarify your points. I post law and you criticize it because I didn't immediately GUARANTEE that a court can deny an adoption if they find it is not in the child's best interest? Hmmm, let's see, what is the relationship like between the child and the rest of her paternal family? What about half siblings dad may have? what about other factors other than dad wants out of paying child support? Oh yeah, you just go straight to the agreement --and yet the AGREEMENT may NOT be in the child's best interest depending on other issues.

I am just sitting here shaking my head.

Neither the paternal nor the maternal family, other than the parents, factor into a stepparent adoption. They are not parties to the case nor are they required to be notified. Grandparents can intervene ask ask for gpv in the course of a stepparent adoption, but that's all.

OP...here is one AZ counties site regarding stepparent adoptions and the process you go through. Take a look at it for accurate information.

http://www.pcjcc.pima.gov/cfs_intro.htm
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
I am just sitting here shaking my head.

Neither the paternal nor the maternal family, other than the parents, factor into a stepparent adoption. They are not parties to the case nor are they required to be notified. Grandparents can intervene ask ask for gpv in the course of a stepparent adoption, but that's all.

OP...here is one AZ counties site regarding stepparent adoptions and the process you go through. Take a look at it for accurate information.

http://www.pcjcc.pima.gov/cfs_intro.htm

Or just read the statutes that I referred to for accurate information.
 

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