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haydendoll

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I've been divorced for 2 years after 24 years of marriage to a mean man! During my marriage I worked for my X and he never paid into SS for me so I can not collect SDI. Since my divorce I have developed a disabling disease and can not work. My alimony is up in 2005. I can't get into my IRA's until 2013. Once my alimony is up in 2005 I will have $40,000 in investments and if I am VERY frugal I may be able to live off that for a little over 2 years. I pay for my own medical insurance and have medical bill up the ying yang. Can I get a lawyer and ask for an extention of my alimony until 2013? I am still afraid of him and would only ask for approx. 1/2 of the $900.00 I am now getting in alimony because I know he will argue that I have the investments.
I am terrified of being without an income for 6&1/2 years as you can well imagine!
I live in Oregon.......

Thank You,
Hayden
 


I AM ALWAYS LIABLE

Senior Member
My response:

You can access your IRA prior to maturity. It's just that doing so is going to cost you big time tax penalties - - but that's better than starving, isn't it?

I need you to quote, verbatim, the language from your decree concerning Spousal Support. Don't skip a word.

IAAL
 
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haydendoll

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Alimony Extension

I AM ALWAYS LIABLE said:
My response:

You can access your IRA prior to maturity. It's just that doing so is going to cost you big time tax penalties - - but that's better than starving, isn't it?

I need you to quote, verbatim, the language from your decree concerning Spousal Support. Don't skip a word.

IAAL

Dear Liable,
I know I can access my IRA's early but between the taxes and the 10% penalty I would then not have enough to live off of once I do turn 59/60!

My Divorce Degree states:
Spousal Support: Petitioner shall pay unto Respondent the sum of Nine Hundred dollars ($900.00) each month as alimony, commencing on the fifth day of the month from the date of entry of the Stipulated Judgment of Dissolution until the such time as the Ben Lomond transaction pays off in full, to wit" July 2005, at which time any and all payment of alimony by Petitiomer to Respondent shall cease.
 
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haydendoll

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Dear I Am Always Liable,
Continued from previous post:

Petitioner will provide the Respondent with a year-end statement as to the balance owed on the Lomond transaction at the end of each year until such time as the Ben Lomond contract pays off in full. Spousal support shall, in any event, terminate upon the death of the recipient. Payment of spousal support shall be deductible by.......don't think you need this part. It pertains to deducting and claiming alimony on our taxes.

We sold a house in Ben Lomond, CA and we carried the mortgage on such. That is what they are refering to when they say the "Ben Lomond transaction."

Thank you in advance for any assistance you can offer.

Hayden
 

LegalBeagle

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Sounds to me like this is all over in 2005. The problem is that your ex can not be held responsible for the disabling disease you have developed since the divorce. Maybe IAAL can throw you a lifeline since he is the CA Law God around here..

 
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haydendoll

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Alimony Extension

Thanks Legal Beagle. Will see what IAAL has to say but think you're right about it being over in 2005.
 

I AM ALWAYS LIABLE

Senior Member
My response:

You must read this carefully.

As you read, keep in mind that there is a difference between "termination of support" and "termination of the court's jurisdiction" - - don't get them confused.

This is why I had you go through the work of typing out your Spousal Support agreement. I think you'll agree it was worth your effort.

Based upon what you wrote, I believe, and I would fight for, the proposition that your termination agreement for spousal support is defective under the California "Richmond" rule, infra. Also, I would argue against, and probably win, a termination order of the support because of your progressive disease and that such disease is keeping you from becoming self-supportive.

The court's authority to modify spousal support agreements is governed by Ca Fam §§ 3590-3593. Spousal support orders based on the parties' agreement or stipulation are deemed "law-imposed" and made under the court's authority to award spousal support; they are thus enforceable and modifiable/terminable in the same manner as any court order for spousal support except to the extent the parties have specifically agreed in writing or orally in open court that spousal support is not subject to modification or termination. [Ca Fam §§ 3590, 3651(d)]

Sometimes the wording of a contingent fixed termination date spousal support order can have a significant impact on the duration of the court's spousal support jurisdiction. Where the court simply reserves jurisdiction to act on spousal support until a specified date, jurisdiction to modify or otherwise award spousal support terminates unless the motion is filed, heard and ruled on before the fixed termination date passes. [Marriage of Carter (1994) 26 Cal.App.4th 1024, 1030, 33 Cal.Rptr.2d 1, 4-5--reservation of jurisdiction until July 31, 1992 precluded modification where motion filed in June 1992 but not heard until Sept. 29, 1992]

On the other hand, a properly-worded "Richmond order" will avoid this problem: i.e., the order should state that "jurisdiction of the court over the issue of spousal support ends on a stated date, unless a motion for modification is filed prior to that date." [See Marriage of Carter, supra, 26 Cal.App.4th at 1030, 33 Cal.Rptr.2d at 5 --"that language would protect against a failure to serve or have a hearing and decision prior to the jurisdictional cutoff . . ."; and see cases construing ambiguous provisions where no explicit language terminating court jurisdiction to extend duration)]

The effect of a "Richmond order" is to alert each spouse that the supported spouse has a specified period of time to become self-supporting, after which the spousal support obligation will cease. If things do not work out as contemplated (e.g., spouse fails to complete anticipated education or training, or is unable to find adequate employment), the supported spouse may, prior to the fixed termination date and upon a showing of good cause, file a motion to modify the original order as to amount and/or duration. The order thus places the burden of extending support "upon the one who is most able to exercise the control necessary to meet the expectations the trial judge had in making the order." [Marriage of Prietsch & Calhoun, supra, 190 Cal.App.3d at 666, 235 Cal.Rptr. at 597; Marriage of Berland, supra]

At least one California court is of the view that "Richmond orders" are the "most appropriate form" of spousal support awards in all cases except: (i) where spousal support either is not ordered or is ordered for a fixed term of short duration; (ii) in the "most lengthy marriages" where circumstances truly justify "permanent" spousal support; or (iii) where the supported spouse does not possess the capacity to become self-sufficient (e.g., health or age complications). [Marriage of Prietsch & Calhoun, supra, 190 Cal.App.3d at 666, 235 Cal.Rptr. at 597; also see Marriage of Stallworth (1987) 192 Cal.App.3d 742, 755, 237 Cal.Rptr. 829, 838 (citing with approval policy preference expressed in Prietsch & Calhoun)]

By the same token, the trial court's refusal to grant an obligor spouse's request for a "Richmond order" under circumstances warranting a reservation of jurisdiction is not an abuse of discretion. [Marriage of Stallworth, supra, 192 Cal.App.3d at 755, 237 Cal.Rptr. at 838]

If the intent is to expect the supported spouse to be self-sufficient as of a specified date and thereby shift the burden to him or her to show cause for a support extension, the supported spouse must have been made aware of that expectation--i.e., the attendant consequences of a "Richmond order" (step-downs to termination) will not be "sprung upon" the support payee. [Marriage of Gavron (1988) 203 Cal.App.3d 705, 711-712, 250 Cal.Rptr. 148, 152-153; Marriage of Heistermann (1991) 234 Cal.App.3d 1195, 1204, 286 Cal.Rptr. 127, 134]

A supported spouse cannot be penalized for a failure to meet the court's unrevealed expectation that he or she become self-sufficient: Absent the requisite advance awareness, it is an abuse of discretion to abruptly reduce or terminate support because of the failure to make good faith efforts toward self-support. [Marriage of Gavron, supra--reversible error to reduce W's support to zero after 25-year marriage where order issued 7 years earlier gave no indication of self-support expectation; Marriage of Heistermann, supra--reversible error to terminate disabled W's support where original open-ended order contained no provision "directing (W) into the work force" and no change of circumstances]

A formal warning concerning the consequences of a "Richmond order" is not necessarily required. The prerequisite "awareness" of the judicial expectation of future self-sufficiency may come from, e.g., an explicit statement in the support order, a motion and ensuing order that the supported party submit to a vocational training examination, a stipulation addressing the spouse's ability to obtain future employment, or even a justified assumption of continued future employment based on the spouse's employment at the time the order setting a reasonable termination date was made. [Marriage of Gavron, supra, 203 Cal.App.3d at 712, 250 Cal.Rptr. at 153]

This rule came about to accommodate the reality that in many marriages of long duration the former statute would have unreasonably put the burden on supported spouses to become self-sufficient just as they enter their "senior, non-income producing years." The amendment is intended to restore the full integrity of the "Morrison rule" to the effect that trial courts not blindly terminate support jurisdiction in lengthy marriage cases. [See Assembly Comm. Rept., AB 391, 1999-00 Reg.Sess.]

The amended statute does not appear, however, to undo the Gavron holding that the supported spouse must have been made aware (either expressly or inferentially) of self-support expectations if the court is to terminate or reduce support on that basis as of a specified future date.

When a spousal support order or agreement uses clear and unequivocal language terminating spousal support on a specified date or upon the occurrence (or nonoccurrence) of a specified event, there is no basis upon which the court may imply a reservation of jurisdiction. Unambiguous, unconditional termination language precludes the court from ordering support past the specified date or terminating event. [Marriage of Iberti (1997) 55 Cal.App.4th 1434, 1448, 64 Cal.Rptr.2d 766, 769 (citing text); see Marriage of Beck (1997) 57 Cal.App.4th 341, 346-347, 67 Cal.Rptr.2d 79, 82-83 (7-year fixed termination order with no language implying court intended to retain power to modify thereafter)--once terminated, jurisdiction cannot be reinstated on basis of parties' disparate economic circumstances; Marriage of Zlatnik (1988) 197 Cal.App.3d 1284, 1290-1291, 243 Cal.Rptr. 454, 458--error to extend support in light of provision stating "in no event shall H be obligated to pay spousal support to W after (specified date)"]

With regard to the above, this is exactly what you DON'T have in your agreement, and one of the reasons why your Support order is defective.

Similarly, there is no room to imply a reservation of jurisdiction beyond a fixed termination date where the order or judgment unambiguously states the court reserves jurisdiction to award spousal support until a specified date. Pursuant to such language, any spousal support modification motion must be filed, heard and decided prior to expiration of the specified date. [Marriage of Carter (1994) 26 Cal.App.4th 1024, 1030, 33 Cal.Rptr.2d 1, 5]

Notwithstanding a termination of spousal support jurisdiction, there is authority recognizing a court's inherent equitable power to order a reinstatement of terminated spousal support "to do justice when an unforeseen change in the law destroys the effect" of the court's prior order. [Marriage of Olsen (1994) 24 Cal.App.4th 1702, 1704, 30 Cal.Rptr.2d 306, 307]

Indeed, the policy of the law is that spousal support orders be made in a manner that encourages the supported party to become self-supporting within a "reasonable period of time"; and the failure to make good faith efforts toward self-support may be a factor considered by the court as a basis for modifying or terminating support. [Ca Fam §§ 4320(k) ("reasonable period of time" to become self-supporting generally is deemed to be one-half the length of the marriage), 4330(b); Marriage of Schaffer (1999) 69 Cal.App.4th 801, 810, 81 Cal.Rptr.2d 797, 803]

With regard to the above, this is where your disease comes into play. It would be my argument that your disease is keeping you from being self-supportive.

Thus, where the supported party is capable of self-support in accordance with the marital standard of living, an indefinite-term order will rarely be appropriate. [See Marriage of Schaffer, supra, 69 Cal.App.4th at 803-804, 81 Cal.Rptr.2d at 798-799 (affirming step-down to zero with reservation of jurisdiction where, despite 6 prior postjudgment support extensions, W failed to make realistic self-support efforts over 15-year period); see also Marriage of Hebbring (1989) 207 Cal.App.3d 1260, 1266-1267, 255 Cal.Rptr. 488, 491--may be abuse of discretion to retain spousal support jurisdiction after "short" marriage]

A spousal support order may not be modified or terminated to the extent the parties' written agreement or, if no written agreement, their oral agreement entered into in open court, expressly provides spousal support is not subject to modification or termination. [Ca Fam § 3651(d); Marriage of Sherman (1984) 162 Cal.App.3d 1132, 1138-1140, 208 Cal.Rptr. 832, 835-836--no modification where underlying agreement merged in judgment contained nonmodifiability provision; see Marriage of Rabkin (1986) 179 Cal.App.3d 1071, 1081, 225 Cal.Rptr. 219, 224-225--order fixing support with expectation of sale of family home and providing sale shall not be considered "change of circumstances" precludes support modification on basis of sale]

Withregard to the above, there is no language in your Order concerning jurisdiction or modification; therefore, the court can modify your agreement. Since your orders DO NOT specify whether or not the court's jurisdiction continues, despite the termination date, jurisdiction then is "implied" to continue !! A specified termination date does not divest the court of jurisdiction to extend support past the termination date if the order did not otherwise explicitly preclude judicial modification (Ca Fam §§ 3591(c), 3651(d), i.e., a properly-worded "Richmond order" stating the court's spousal support jurisdiction terminates on a specified date unless a motion for modification is filed before that date, protects against the failure to serve the motion or have a hearing and decision before the termination date: The court has jurisdiction to extend the duration of support so long as the motion is filed before the termination date. [Marriage of Carter, supra, 26 Cal.App.4th at 1030, 33 Cal.Rptr.2d at 5]

An order terminating spousal support jurisdiction on a specified date unless, prior to the fixed termination date, the supported spouse files a motion showing good cause to modify the amount and/or duration is proper even upon the dissolution of a "lengthy" marriage. If it can reasonably be inferred from the evidence that the supported spouse is capable of self-support, such an award is deemed justified in that, unlike an open-ended order, it does not encourage delay in seeking suitable employment and, thus, accommodates the policy goal (expressed in Morrison and Ca Fam §§ 4320(k), 4330(b)) that both spouses be able to get on with their lives, free from obligations to each other. [Marriage of Richmond (1980) 105 Cal.App.3d 352, 356, 164 Cal.Rptr. 381, 383-386]

But, by the time your Spousal Support is scheduled to end, your disease may be progressed to the point where there is no hope for self-support, and extending the Spousal Support is the only answer.

Do not make your Motion for an extension of the Spousal Support until one year prior to the stated "expiration date" of 2005. By that time, also, check with an attorney whether the laws have changed - - however, at this point, I sincerely believe you would have a very, very good chance at having your Support extended because:

1. The agreement is, I believe, defective; i.e., jurisdiction continues past the scheduled termination date and,

2. Your disease will keep you from being self-supportive.

Good luck to you.

IAAL

[Edited by I AM ALWAYS LIABLE on 12-11-2000 at 09:52 PM]
 
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haydendoll

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Alimony Extension

Dear IAAL,
Bravo! I so appreciate the time you put into my question. My decree "does not" contain the statements necessary as explained in the documents you sent me! My disease, Lupus, "will not" get any better. However, I live in Oregon. I don't know if that makes a difference but the documents you sent refered to CA law several times. The house we sold is in CA but our divorce took place in OR.
With the information you have so kindly provided, I now think it is time for me to see an attorney. I did not want to do that until I knew if I had a chance because of my financial situation. I will not, per your advice, show my hand to my X until one year before my alimony is due to cease.
Again, thank you very much!
 

I AM ALWAYS LIABLE

Senior Member
My response:

I realize you're in Oregon; however, California law is what I practice, and California is not an island. Most of the Western States have similar laws and rules.

My post was to give you, hopefully, an idea of what is basically necessary for a change in circumstances, and to show you the flaws in your current order. Also, it was meant to give you a "head-start" with an attorney in your area, and to give you some direction in what questions to ask, and what areas need to be researched under Oregon's specific laws.

I rather doubt Oregon is going to be much different about this, if at all.

IAAL
 
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haydendoll

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Alimony Extension

Yes IAAL, I understand and I do thank you for the information and the time you spent gathering it.

 

ShyCat

Senior Member
You *can* take distributions from your IRA before 59 1/2 without the 10% penalty using what is known as SEPP withdrawals. SEPP = Substantially Equal Periodic Payments.

To use SEPP, you must choose one of three IRS-approved methods of calculating the allowed withdrawal amounts. For example, one of the methods is based solely on life expectency, creating a fixed annuity for the period of SEPP withdrawals.

Once commenced, SEPP withdrawals must continue at least 5 years or until you've passed age 59 1/2. In other words, if you start SEPP'ing your IRA when you are 58, the SEPP must continue for 5 years (to age 63). If you are 50, the SEPP must continue until you are 59 1/2. After that, you have unfettered access to your IRA (until you pass the Minimum Required Distribution age of 70 1/2).

If you are interested in SEPP, you must be very careful to follow all the IRS rules laid out in, if I remember correctly, IRS Pub. 590 that you can download from their website.

 
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haydendoll

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Alimony Extension

Dear Shycat,
I've already looked into this option and you can only take a small amount each year. No where near enough to live off of.

Thank You,
 

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