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Anjelita

Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? PA

I'm currently seeking sole custody of my 9 year old son. Son was abused by father in May 09'. CPS findings were abused. Criminal charges were made and will be proceeding. We came to an agreement of supervised visits every other Sunday. Father has not shown up to visits since Aug 09'.

DHS appeal hearing was 2 weeks ago, father was allowed to go pro se at this hearing (I was not notified this would be happening). He asked my son questions like "you know that even if a father did do something like that to his son, it doesn't mean he doesn't love him". My son is emotionally suffering because of this, he said he was terrified (literally shaking) when he found out he would have to answer his fathers questions directly - at every other hearing/trial he was more than comfortable and willing to answer the lawyers questions, but to have to directly answer the person that committed the crime against you? Is there no law against that to protect children? I am writing complaint letters (don't know if it will do any good) to the chief deputy city solicitor for CPS and several other people.

My question:

I rec'd an email from my atty yesterday stating that my son's father spoke with his atty and told her that at his arraignment the Judge told him to "stay away" from my son and that he "didn't realise" that this wouldn't affect supervised visits and that is why he stopped going.

I contacted my atty after he missed the first few visits, since Sept 09' my atty has been trying to contact his atty about these visits. My son's father's own atty could not even get ahold of him. Eventually (about 6 months after 1st visit was missed) we stopped going to the visits. I did seek advice of my atty before we stopped going, he said I should be OK - he made every attept (I have copies of all the letters he drafted and sent for me) to contact father (thru his atty).

Now 6 mths later he decides to finally contact his custody atty and give us some lame excuse as to why he didn't show? Is he allowed to do that?

I understand that regardless of the crimes he committed, he is still my son's father (it took alot of sucking it up to understand this) and that my son would probably like to see him again eventually - despite the fact that he is terrified of him now.

I do not want to be in contempt for denying visits but also I am concerned about what my son's father might say to him during them, not only could it cause futher harm to my son's mental state, but there still is a criminal trial to be had. Call them supervised all you want but no one is there to listen to what the parent's are saying to these children. My son has slowly started confiding in me some of the things his father said to him during these visits and they are really disturbing. When he was showing up to visits my son and I were always given some kind of lewd statement as a greeting from him IN the nursery room - I complained, I was told by the lady I complained to that "the sooner you leave the room the sooner we can start doing our jobs". I was not lingering in the room, I try to drop off and get out of that disgusting place, sit in the car for 2 hrs and get in and get out asap again. There's about 3 ladies to a room full of anywhere between 50-75 people.

Is there any way I can request that the visits be mediated with a psychologist/psychiatrist present at all times to ensure my son's emotional/mental well being? I would consent 100% if a psychologist/psychiatrist were present - otherwise I will be fighting these visits.

I don't think that my son should just be thrown into visits again after 6 months of not seeing his father without some kind of emotional support being there. When he was going to visits my son would literally spend half of the 2 hr visit in the bathroom physically ill because he was so nervous about seeing his father. Am I wrong? I'm still waiting for my attys response.
 


LdiJ

Senior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? PA

I'm currently seeking sole custody of my 9 year old son. Son was abused by father in May 09'. CPS findings were abused. Criminal charges were made and will be proceeding. We came to an agreement of supervised visits every other Sunday. Father has not shown up to visits since Aug 09'.

DHS appeal hearing was 2 weeks ago, father was allowed to go pro se at this hearing (I was not notified this would be happening). He asked my son questions like "you know that even if a father did do something like that to his son, it doesn't mean he doesn't love him". My son is emotionally suffering because of this, he said he was terrified (literally shaking) when he found out he would have to answer his fathers questions directly - at every other hearing/trial he was more than comfortable and willing to answer the lawyers questions, but to have to directly answer the person that committed the crime against you? Is there no law against that to protect children? I am writing complaint letters (don't know if it will do any good) to the chief deputy city solicitor for CPS and several other people.

My question:

I rec'd an email from my atty yesterday stating that my son's father spoke with his atty and told her that at his arraignment the Judge told him to "stay away" from my son and that he "didn't realise" that this wouldn't affect supervised visits and that is why he stopped going.

In a way, I can see where that kind of confusion could happen. The judge handling the custody case has arranged the supervised visits, but the judge handling the criminal case told him to stay away from the child.

I contacted my atty after he missed the first few visits, since Sept 09' my atty has been trying to contact his atty about these visits. My son's father's own atty could not even get ahold of him. Eventually (about 6 months after 1st visit was missed) we stopped going to the visits. I did seek advice of my atty before we stopped going, he said I should be OK - he made every attept (I have copies of all the letters he drafted and sent for me) to contact father (thru his atty).

Now 6 mths later he decides to finally contact his custody atty and give us some lame excuse as to why he didn't show? Is he allowed to do that?

I understand that regardless of the crimes he committed, he is still my son's father (it took alot of sucking it up to understand this) and that my son would probably like to see him again eventually - despite the fact that he is terrified of him now.

I do not want to be in contempt for denying visits but also I am concerned about what my son's father might say to him during them, not only could it cause futher harm to my son's mental state, but there still is a criminal trial to be had. Call them supervised all you want but no one is there to listen to what the parent's are saying to these children. My son has slowly started confiding in me some of the things his father said to him during these visits and they are really disturbing. When he was showing up to visits my son and I were always given some kind of lewd statement as a greeting from him IN the nursery room - I complained, I was told by the lady I complained to that "the sooner you leave the room the sooner we can start doing our jobs". I was not lingering in the room, I try to drop off and get out of that disgusting place, sit in the car for 2 hrs and get in and get out asap again. There's about 3 ladies to a room full of anywhere between 50-75 people.

Is there any way I can request that the visits be mediated with a psychologist/psychiatrist present at all times to ensure my son's emotional/mental well being? I would consent 100% if a psychologist/psychiatrist were present - otherwise I will be fighting these visits.

I don't think that my son should just be thrown into visits again after 6 months of not seeing his father without some kind of emotional support being there. When he was going to visits my son would literally spend half of the 2 hr visit in the bathroom physically ill because he was so nervous about seeing his father. Am I wrong? I'm still waiting for my attys response.

You can ask...but you cannot be guaranteed that it will be granted.

I don't think that you should be too worried about contempt at this point. You have plenty of evidence that you went to the visits for six months after dad stopped showing and that your attorney attempted to contact his.

I also think that its almost guaranteed that dad is going to be doing some time.
 

Anjelita

Member
thank you

I was looking through the PA court docket sheets website to see if I could find out when the criminal trial would be taking place (I always get my subpeona last minute). While I was looking for the date, I found out that he was arrested for a DUI 20 days prior to our criminal case preliminary hearing. Will this DUI help my custody/criminal case?

Also, I finally have the list of official charges, can anyone tell me what the penalies in PA are for them?

1) Endangering Welfare of Children -Parent/Guardian/Other Commits Offense

2) Simple Assault - Grading - Victim Under 12 Defendant 21 Or Older

3) Recklessly Endangering Another Person

4) Aggravated Assault

Better yet, is there a site someone can direct me to with all the PA codes or something?
 
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Anjelita

Member
oops sorry! we had the pre trial hearing and the Judge said that she will be going forth with all the charges, so they are not convictions yet. We are awaiting for him to have a formal arraignment and a pre-trial conference, and then go to full trial if need be.
 

Anjelita

Member
I swear there's something new every day

I just found out that son's father was arrested for a DUI on 1/5/10. Could this incident help either my custody or the criminal case?

Thanks so much!
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
I just found out that son's father was arrested for a DUI on 1/5/10. Could this incident help either my custody or the criminal case?

Thanks so much!

So, he had a DUI 20 days prior to the abuse, plus the charges for the abuse, plus another DUI in January?

Yes, both of the DUI's are going to have an effect. They demonstrate that dad has both an alcohol and an anger management problem. Those two things combined can be deadly.
 

Anjelita

Member
scared for my son's mental well being

I rec'd another email from my atty stating that father wants his supervised visits back after going on 7 months.

I am so scared to let my son go back to the court room visits. They DO NOT facilitate what is being said between parent and child.

My atty said they will not allow a therapist in the court nursery.

I suggested something called Kids First Visitation Services Kids First - Visitation Services - About Us

I asked my atty if father would be willing to go to facilitated visits at their location, where a moniter is with the child/parent at all times. It would have to be at fathers expense (so I don't know if he will go for it), I'm already paying out the you know what for custody atty fees because of the crimes HE committed. They offer a sliding scale, so at 2hrs biweekly, I don't think it's too much to ask (the guy said it ranges from $25 to $100 an hr).

If father disagrees to my offer, I could very well be held in contempt if I don't take my son to these visits at which he will continue to be mentally abused.

While I obviously don't want to be in contempt, I want my son to be safe and not mentally abused at these visits.

I cannot afford more atty fees to go back and fight about supervised visits. I am paying out of pocket, his family is paying for all of his fees.

What are my options????
 

DAD10

Registered User
To get a second job, and fight for what you believe to be in the best interest of your child.
 

Anjelita

Member
I do have a second job, preschool teacher and office admin, as well as my fiances income, I have borrowed from family members (something I've NEVER had to do). Father of course doesn't pay CS - I am fighting this but he claims unemployed. Hard to take care of a family of three when legal fees have been dragged out for a YEAR. We make every sacrifice possible.

The best I can do if he wont agree is take it back to court and fight the sup visits? If I thought I had a decent chance, I'd go for it. But whats the liklihood of a Judge stopping sup visits? Won't he end up getting mad at me for not thinking the facility they provide isn't sufficient enough (it isn't).

Is the Judge going to understand that just throwing a kid in a room with his abuser after 7 months, with no therapy between the two of them ever, and only a couple of "hall monitors" walking around the room offering coloring pages is not in the best interest of my son?

If I fight it, is there ANY chance I'd win?
 

DAD10

Registered User
Then get a third job-my point being where there is a will there is a way.
No one can predict the outcome, however if you feel so strong about the situation-then do whatever it takes with conviction-and don't look back. If you really want to fight this find a way. No one else is going to do it for you.
 

Anjelita

Member
I want what is the best interest of my child. Basically not having a mother to be there for him while he suffers through all he's been put through at the hands of his father is NOT in my opinion in the best interest of the child.

MY QUESTION IS: Financial hardships aside, DO I HAVE A SHOT?

Can I perhaps ask for dad to attend therapy/anger management himself before continuing the sup visits?

I need suggestions, I want my son physically and mentally SAFE.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
I want what is the best interest of my child. Basically not having a mother to be there for him while he suffers through all he's been put through at the hands of his father is NOT in my opinion in the best interest of the child.

MY QUESTION IS: Financial hardships aside, DO I HAVE A SHOT?

Can I perhaps ask for dad to attend therapy/anger management himself before continuing the sup visits?

I need suggestions, I want my son physically and mentally SAFE.

You honestly might have a shot, but your attorney is the better source to tell you if its a viable shot.

How soon until he goes to trial on the abuse charges?
 

Anjelita

Member
his pre-trial conference for the criminal case and the dui trial are on the same date 3/24, he also has a contempt for CS the same date... our next custody date is 5/10... the custody hearing will most likely be a continuance because I doubt the criminal trial will be finished.

I thought about trying to wait it out till the 5/10 custody case and ask the judge to modify it to where father has to attend anger management/therapy before any more sup visits, or at least use an outside party visitation center that offers parent/child therapy. Then I risk being in contempt.

I thought about filing a custody modification agreement, and asking the judge the same thing... but then that might not be necessary (if father doesn't file for contempt).

Another option my atty gave me is to have a mutual friend facilitate the visit, but then there is no security, and no guaruntee father will agree.

I don't want to keep father from his son (despite my own feelings), but I think that visits without therapy for both father and son is not a very good answer... eventually, but not now?

Am I wrong? I know this site is for legal advice, and believe you me, everyone here has helped me here a great deal... But am I in the wrong (bearing childs best interests) to ask for therapy at these visits? or at least mediation so the child/parent are under constant supervision?

I'm dealing with a 9 year old that was before a happy child, despite extreem shyness... now I am dealing with a child that "wishes he could get a knife and slit his fathers throat" (yes, he is getting treatment).

This one horrible incident has consumed my life for nearly a year now, I just want my little boy back to the happy child he was :(
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
his pre-trial conference for the criminal case and the dui trial are on the same date 3/24, he also has a contempt for CS the same date... our next custody date is 5/10... the custody hearing will most likely be a continuance because I doubt the criminal trial will be finished.

I thought about trying to wait it out till the 5/10 custody case and ask the judge to modify it to where father has to attend anger management/therapy before any more sup visits, or at least use an outside party visitation center that offers parent/child therapy. Then I risk being in contempt.

I thought about filing a custody modification agreement, and asking the judge the same thing... but then that might not be necessary (if father doesn't file for contempt).

Another option my atty gave me is to have a mutual friend facilitate the visit, but then there is no security, and no guaruntee father will agree.

I don't want to keep father from his son (despite my own feelings), but I think that visits without therapy for both father and son is not a very good answer... eventually, but not now?

Am I wrong? I know this site is for legal advice, and believe you me, everyone here has helped me here a great deal... But am I in the wrong (bearing childs best interests) to ask for therapy at these visits? or at least mediation so the child/parent are under constant supervision?

I'm dealing with a 9 year old that was before a happy child, despite extreem shyness... now I am dealing with a child that "wishes he could get a knife and slit his fathers throat" (yes, he is getting treatment).

This one horrible incident has consumed my life for nearly a year now, I just want my little boy back to the happy child he was :(

Personally, I don't think that you are wrong at all. He abused your child to the point that he is up on charges for it. He clearly has little to no remorse for doing so, and has been inappropriate in his discussions with the child.

However, he is already on supervised visitation and it may be difficult to get a judge to order anything different than what is already ordered.
 

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