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GottaGo

Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? NJ

My husband and I are healthy and happily married. We will be traveling soon without our 3 children, 2 of whom are minors (ages 8 and 11).
We have never designated a guardian for our children in the event that we should both perish, because we simply cannot agree on whom to designate.
He would like members of his family, and I would like members of mine.
We both obviously have our reasons for wanting our own family to raise our children, but of course I think mine are more rational. Haha
In our discussions, the reasons he has cited for wanting his family over mine is that our children are closer to his family. I do agree that they are a little closer (not by far) to his family, but I do not believe that this is sufficient reason to grant them guardianship. His sister, whom he wishes to designate, is disrespectful and abusive to her husband, drinks excessively (often to the point of self-urination, physical altercations, and/or blackouts), gambles (she has been banned from several casinos due to her drunken debauchery), and is often heard, by our children, talking badly about me.
She does shower the children with gifts, and spoils them, as is her ‘right’ as their aunt, but I do not feel that this qualifies her as the better guardian, either.
In contrast, my sister and her husband are happily married, have raised a healthy and happy child already, with whom they have a great relationship, and are financially responsible, plus live in one of the best school districts in the state. I have spoken to them about my wishes and they would happily assume guardianship of our children and have agreed to allow ample visitation with my husband’s family.
Anyway, I would like to document my wishes before we travel. Since we do not agree, I, unfortunately, will be documenting mine separately from his, if he documents them at all.
Should I include my reasons for wanting my sister and for not wanting his sister, in the case that a court battle should arise?
Also, what would happen if neither of us document our wishes? Is there a default?
Thanks.
 


Ohiogal

Queen Bee
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? NJ

My husband and I are healthy and happily married. We will be traveling soon without our 3 children, 2 of whom are minors (ages 8 and 11).
We have never designated a guardian for our children in the event that we should both perish, because we simply cannot agree on whom to designate.
He would like members of his family, and I would like members of mine.
We both obviously have our reasons for wanting our own family to raise our children, but of course I think mine are more rational. Haha
In our discussions, the reasons he has cited for wanting his family over mine is that our children are closer to his family. I do agree that they are a little closer (not by far) to his family, but I do not believe that this is sufficient reason to grant them guardianship. His sister, whom he wishes to designate, is disrespectful and abusive to her husband, drinks excessively (often to the point of self-urination, physical altercations, and/or blackouts), gambles (she has been banned from several casinos due to her drunken debauchery), and is often heard, by our children, talking badly about me.
She does shower the children with gifts, and spoils them, as is her ‘right’ as their aunt, but I do not feel that this qualifies her as the better guardian, either.
In contrast, my sister and her husband are happily married, have raised a healthy and happy child already, with whom they have a great relationship, and are financially responsible, plus live in one of the best school districts in the state. I have spoken to them about my wishes and they would happily assume guardianship of our children and have agreed to allow ample visitation with my husband’s family.
Anyway, I would like to document my wishes before we travel. Since we do not agree, I, unfortunately, will be documenting mine separately from his, if he documents them at all.
Should I include my reasons for wanting my sister and for not wanting his sister, in the case that a court battle should arise?
Also, what would happen if neither of us document our wishes? Is there a default?
Thanks.
You can't will children. If you both die, the courts will determine who will raise your children.
 

GottaGo

Member
But people document their wishes for guardianship after death all the time.
Are you saying these hold no weight?
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
But people document their wishes for guardianship after death all the time.
Are you saying these hold no weight?

Nope. Children are NOT possessions. Therefore they cannot be willed. They may be used for an immediate placement but won't stop a court battle and won't be controlling. Furthermore, if you die first, hubby gets custody and if he dies first, you do.
 

Just Blue

Senior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? NJ

My husband and I are healthy and happily married. We will be traveling soon without our 3 children, 2 of whom are minors (ages 8 and 11).
We have never designated a guardian for our children in the event that we should both perish, because we simply cannot agree on whom to designate.
He would like members of his family, and I would like members of mine.
We both obviously have our reasons for wanting our own family to raise our children, but of course I think mine are more rational. Haha
In our discussions, the reasons he has cited for wanting his family over mine is that our children are closer to his family. I do agree that they are a little closer (not by far) to his family, but I do not believe that this is sufficient reason to grant them guardianship. His sister, whom he wishes to designate, is disrespectful and abusive to her husband, drinks excessively (often to the point of self-urination, physical altercations, and/or blackouts), gambles (she has been banned from several casinos due to her drunken debauchery), and is often heard, by our children, talking badly about me.
She does shower the children with gifts, and spoils them, as is her ‘right’ as their aunt, but I do not feel that this qualifies her as the better guardian, either.
In contrast, my sister and her husband are happily married, have raised a healthy and happy child already, with whom they have a great relationship, and are financially responsible, plus live in one of the best school districts in the state. I have spoken to them about my wishes and they would happily assume guardianship of our children and have agreed to allow ample visitation with my husband’s family.
Anyway, I would like to document my wishes before we travel. Since we do not agree, I, unfortunately, will be documenting mine separately from his, if he documents them at all.
Should I include my reasons for wanting my sister and for not wanting his sister, in the case that a court battle should arise?
Also, what would happen if neither of us document our wishes? Is there a default?
Thanks.

Are these children from the same Hubby you were seperated from in 2007?

https://forum.freeadvice.com/child-custody-visitation-37/holidays-i-celebrate-stbx-does-not-386674.html
 

GottaGo

Member
Yep!

We have been through hell and back, but have been back together since the end of 2009, lots of therapy, and in a great place.
Just cannot come to an agreement on this issue, but what from OhioGal says, doesn't seem to matter if we agree or not. If we're both dead our wishes don't matter anyway. :/

And obviously they would be from the same hubby if at the time of my separation they were 1 and 4 and now they are 8 and 11. If I had a new hubby then I wouldn't be worried about agreeing to guardianship with him, but with my supposed ex. I stated he is my husband and they are our children.
Nothing to dig for here, Blue Meanie, I laid it out as it is.
 
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GottaGo

Member
I was looking through some old threads, and it seems that the parents' wishes for guardianship of the children if both parents die could have some bearing on where the children would go, that a judge would be likely to honor the parents' wishes if they agreed and if the named guardian was willing.

https://forum.freeadvice.com/child-custody-visitation-37/child-guardianship-texas-case-death-both-parents-573115.html
https://forum.freeadvice.com/child-custody-visitation-37/question-about-guardianship-584897.html

But what happens if parents do not agree??
What happens if one parent has made his/her wishes clear and the other parent has said nothing?
 

Just Blue

Senior Member
I was looking through some old threads, and it seems that the parents' wishes for guardianship of the children if both parents die could have some bearing on where the children would go, that a judge would be likely to honor the parents' wishes if they agreed and if the named guardian was willing.

https://forum.freeadvice.com/child-custody-visitation-37/child-guardianship-texas-case-death-both-parents-573115.html
https://forum.freeadvice.com/child-custody-visitation-37/question-about-guardianship-584897.html

But what happens if parents do not agree??
What happens if one parent has made his/her wishes clear and the other parent has said nothing?

Not trying to "dig" GG...Just to clarify.

TX law has nothing to do with NJ law.
But if you can both, you and Dad, come to an agreement on someone/persons to care for your mutual children that would be best. :)
 

GottaGo

Member
Yes, I agree, that would be best, but is unlikely to happen before we leave for our trip in 4 days.

Just wondering if I should document my wishes and include 'counter points' to his wishes in the event that we both die and a custody battle ensues between our respective families.
I realize that it is highly unlikely that we will die on this trip and therefore have more time to try to come to a resolution on this, but thought it would be best to cover our bases just in case...
 

Just Blue

Senior Member
Yes, I agree, that would be best, but is unlikely to happen before we leave for our trip in 4 days.

Just wondering if I should document my wishes and include 'counter points' to his wishes in the event that we both die and a custody battle ensues between our respective families.
I realize that it is highly unlikely that we will die on this trip and therefore have more time to try to come to a resolution on this, but thought it would be best to cover our bases just in case...
Both of you should have wills stating your wishes for your child/ren. ...The Judge will have to decide if the need be.

Personally...Unless I had this delt with I would avoid anything "deadly".


1. Don't Fly
2. Don't cross the street
3. Chew your food with extra care...
4. DO NOT GET IN YOUR CAR!!!!

5...Wrap yourselves in bubble wrap...

6 See above ^
 

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