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Child Support and imputing income

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toribella

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What is the name of your state? Co

In August 07 I filed a motion with the court to modify child support because our daughter entered school and to attend full day kindergarten there is a tution of $80 a week. On top of that she now requires child care costs that previously she did not because she was awarded a scholarship at her preschool. I work part time for several reasons 1 I can't afford full time child care. 2 I want to be in my childrens lives I prefer that they are raised by me instead of some child care facility. I want them to be able to do sports and extra currcular activites when school is out vs being in a child care setting. 3 I make enough money that I am able to do this and still provide my children a good lifestyle.

Our custody agreement regarding child support states that should child care become necessary it would be in the form of child support and dad would need to reimburse me for what I pay. He has been somewhat helping with our daughters tution... He has not reimbursed me for the full amount which he should, but it's pretty close. I think he leaves off 50-a couple hundred just to irritate me. He has not reimbursed me for anything regarding child care even though I have given him canceled check copies etc. I guess he thinks the magistrate is not going to award work related child care.

We had a status confrence and the magistrate asked why I am only working part time and basically told my ex that it may be possible to impute full time wages for me. The difference in basical child support would be that he pays $45 a month less, after the increase for our increased changes in income than if my actual income was used. He took a recess and asked us to talk about it to see if we could come to an agreement on it. Well my ex was just a kid in a candy shop when he found out about imputing income. Like it was the best thing he'd ever heard. He refuses to recognize the benefits of my being able to work part time. I am not under employed to avoid supporting my kids which is my understanding for why imcome would be imputed. He makes plenty more money than I do and $45 a month is no big deal but we're talking about increasing my income by about $1300 just to offset that $45.

My position is not currently open for fulltime. It's possible in the future it may become fulltime but my company can't at this time give me anything in writting for when that would be. Mostly I'd like this to not happen on pure principle. $45 a month is nothing I'd be fine with outit, it's not even 10% of our basic child support order, but what my ex doesn't understand is that with my working part time there are only part time work related child care costs and my children are with a parent vs a child care taker tha mjority of the time. If I were to be employed fulltime they would need to be in before school care as well as after school care and the cost would increase, thus increasing the amount in child support he'd be paying.

We weren't able to come to an agreement and the magistrate said that my reasons for being employed part time may be grounds to NOT impute the income. He set it for a hearing. My questions are these: Is it possible that the magistrate will not impute my income as full time given that I am working part time to be involved with my children more, the cost of childcare outweigh my working fulltime for both dad and I? If the judge does decide that my income should be imputed as fulltime is it reasonable to ask that full time child care be entered into the support order as well given that to meet my imputed income I will need to work fulltime hours requiring child care for them? And, what happends at a hearing for a child support modification? We have never actually been before the judge, always gone through mediation and I do not know what to expect. Neither of us has an attorney. Would you think I need one, or is a child support modification easy enough for someone with a general knowledge of how it works to accomplish? Thanks for your time.
 


toribella

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Gee, but HERE you are all knowing EXACTLY what to expect in the courtroom.:rolleyes:

https://forum.freeadvice.com/showthread.php?t=399416&page=2

I don't believe I said I knew exactly what was going to happen anywhere in that thread. I offered posibilities. Thanks for you snide comment.... very helpful to the questions I asked in this thread, in a completely seperate forum.

I'm starting to think this board is more for a bunch of catty women who really aren't here to offer any advice at all.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
I don't believe I said I knew exactly what was going to happen anywhere in that thread. I offered posibilities. Thanks for you snide comment.... very helpful to the questions I asked in this thread, in a completely seperate forum.

I'm starting to think this board is more for a bunch of catty women who really aren't here to offer any advice at all.

Yes, its possible that if the magistrate decides to impute a full time income to you, that its also possible to convince the magistrate to also impute full time child care costs.

However, I probably would have settled it. The extra 540.00 a year wouldn't have been worth continuing legal hassle to me.
 

Ohiogal

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And quite frankly why is it costing you $80 a week for kindergarten? Did you discuss it with dad regarding FULL DAY kindergarten as opposed to half day? Or did you just enroll and expect him to pay? That may be considered PRIVATE school which is something a court will not make dad for unless he agrees.
 

OhReally?

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When kids are involved, what you "feel" is irrelevant. Nor do you get to simply run up charges for him to pay. You also do not get any special considerations "just because" you have custody. How would you react if Dad wanted to cut down his hours for the same reason you are? Since it would be less $$$, you'd probably go apecrap.
 
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Zephyr

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My questions are these: Is it possible that the magistrate will not impute my income as full time given that I am working part time to be involved with my children more, the cost of childcare outweigh my working fulltime for both dad and I?

the imputation is entirely up to the magistrate and based on who presents the most compelling argument for why it should or should not happen.


If the judge does decide that my income should be imputed as fulltime is it reasonable to ask that full time child care be entered into the support order as well given that to meet my imputed income I will need to work fulltime hours requiring child care for them?

only if you do obtain full time employment and actually incur full time child care costs- which really you shouldn't- since it would only be after school care, right?


And, what happends at a hearing for a child support modification?


both parties present their side and a judge makes a decision

. Would you think I need one, or is a child support modification easy enough for someone with a general knowledge of how it works to accomplish? Thanks for your time.


this really depends on how capable you are of educating yourself regarding the statutes that apply, court procedure, etc.....and your ability to pay a lawyer
 

TinkerBelleLuvr

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We look for the LEGAL answer. What's happened is that you FEEL .... HAVE AN OPINION ... I THINK. You say that things are the way they should be because YOU have it in your court order.
 
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toribella

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And quite frankly why is it costing you $80 a week for kindergarten? Did you discuss it with dad regarding FULL DAY kindergarten as opposed to half day? Or did you just enroll and expect him to pay? That may be considered PRIVATE school which is something a court will not make dad for unless he agrees.

Of course I discussed it with him. I told him that is what it would be for full day kindergarten in February when I enrolled her. We looked into other child care for after half day and it was WAY more. It's mostly "child care," like afterschool care, but the school does it to give the kindies more kindergarten, and child care for after or before their half day of kindergarten class. He's been aware of it from the begining. It was either that or she could be in after school child care at the tune of at least $130 a week for being picked up at school. And that was with a discount that dad gets through his business on child care. Plus there was a waitlist and she probably wouldn't have been able to get in during this school year anyways. It's something he agrees on because it's been going on for 8 months now and he's been making partial payments on it. If he didn't agree maybe he should have showed up to court and said something back in November instead of not showing up causing the status confrence to be rescheduled.

After normal school hours she is only picked up 2 times/week so there is only part time after school hours care at the tune of $10 a day. Not outrageous. Before school started way back last year I asked him if it was possible that he get off work earlier on wednessdays and fridays to avoid that cost and pick her up. He did not want to and refused. He is supposed to have midweek parenting on Wednessdays anyway however does not chose to excesize that times. This has been no sudden shock to him.

What he is not paying for at all is the work related childcare that is required when she has to be picked up the 2 days a week from school and anytime that she is out of school that I am working. He's also known about this from the get go too because it was something I discussed with him when I enrolled her in school. Like I said, asking if it was possible to change his schedule to pick her up the 2 days. This was also something that was discussed in mediation 3 years ago when we came to an agreement that eventually work related child care costs would be involved. Because she would no longer be at the preschool she was attending receiving a scholarship. He was to pay them in the form of child support, I was to give him receipt of my payments (which I have all along) and we were to modify the child support order if necessary.
 

toribella

Junior Member
When kids are involved, what you "feel" is irrelevant. Nor do you get to simply run up charges for him to pay. You also do not get any special considerations "just because" you have custody. How would you react if Dad wanted to cut down his hours for the same reason you are? Since it would be less $$$, you'd probably go apecrap.


Actually, you're wrong. If he cut down his hours to go to school or any other reason, (with in reason other than just not wanting to support his child) that's his choice. I'm not out to "get him." But thanks. I expect that our daughter be supported by both of us, to the best of our abilities.

And if dad wanted to cut down his hours for the same reason mine are, which is to be available to my children, then I'd be all for it! Like I said in the post I just made, I already asked him to do that, he refused. He doesn't even excersize the parenting time he has now, so aside from being all for it, I'd honestly be shocked!
 
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toribella

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We look for the LEGAL answer. What's happened is that you FEEL .... HAVE AN OPINION ... I THINK. You say that things are the way they should be because YOU have it in your court order.

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There was no answer in the post I responded to, legal or not. It was a snide catty comment.

The only person as of yet that has given an actual response said that if the magistrate does chose to impute income it may be possible to include full time child care costs as well.

As far as the other person that I responded to on the other forum, she wanted to know if it was possible. Yes it's possible. It's possible for her and dad to mediate to come to an agreement. I never said that agreement was gonna be exactly what she wanted. That's kinda what mediation is about. You sign something that says you're going into it looking for resolve, and that the outcome may or may not be what the judge would order. But I'm done defending myself on that. We'll have to agree to disagree.
 
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toribella

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the imputation is entirely up to the magistrate and based on who presents the most compelling argument for why it should or should not happen.
I can do that. I guess we shall see who gives the most compelling reasons.



only if you do obtain full time employment and actually incur full time child care costs- which really you shouldn't- since it would only be after school care, right?

If I were to be working full time it would yes, be after school 5 days a week vs the 2/week now. plus time that she would be out of school which I would need to work as well. I guess by full time I meant days wise, not necessarily hours. Sorry for that confusion. Another question I have we can only motion to modify the order once per year. If full time income is imputed and child care costs are not at the time the order is made and I do become fulltime, will I have to wait until 2009 to modify again? And since I originally filed this motion in August 2007 does that mean it can't be modified until 2009 or does the court go by when something was filed originally? I hope that makes sense, I appologize if it doesn't.





both parties present their side and a judge makes a decision




this really depends on how capable you are of educating yourself regarding the statutes that apply, court procedure, etc.....and your ability to pay a lawyer I've been reading the statutes etc, basically at this point I'm just looking for the procedure that would be followed during the hearing. I don't know what to expect. I'm kind of thinking I shot myself in the foot when I told him I didn't think mediation would be beneficial for us now. oopss. And my ability to pay a lawyer... that's iffy, if it becomes necessary, I'll find the means however I hope that we can come to some sort of resolve with out shelling out all our money to attorneys. We've already spent to much on them when it could have been going to support our children.

Thanks for your responses they are appreciated.
 

Silverplum

Senior Member
I expect that our daughter be supported by both of us, to the best of our abilities.
Then why are you working part time?
That's a contradiction. :rolleyes:

And what you do not seem to grasp is that IMPUTED income is what is input into the CS calculations; it is to reflect what you COULD be making if you were, ya know, working to the best of your ability. ;)

It is NOT that you have to go out and make that much money. You don't have to get a 2nd job or a better job.

You just have to LIVE WITH the consequences of your choices. If that means losing $45/mo. in CS, then that's your price.
 
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