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What is the name of your state? PA :eek:
Posted in Courts and Legislatures by ANCPR on the October 10th, 2005
Child support to fall for many Pa. parents
New guidelines mean up to 30 percent decrease for some
Monday, October 10, 2005

By Mike Bucsko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Come late January, parents who receive child support may find less money in their monthly support checks.

That’s because the state Supreme Court recently adopted new child support guidelines that decrease the support obligation for the majority of parents, especially those in the upper income levels.

The effect will be significant for some parents, with decreases of as much as 30 percent.

For example, under the old guidelines, the support obligation for parents with two children and a combined monthly income of $10,000 was $2,312. The support obligation under the new guidelines is $1,840, a difference of $472.

“I actually think it’s going to have a pretty dramatic negative impact on a lot of households,” said family lawyer Mary Sue Ramsden, of the Downtown law firm Raphael Ramsden Behers. “In some cases, it may just be a couple hundred dollars, but there are people out there for whom a couple hundred dollars would make a big difference.”

The new guidelines were adopted by the Supreme Court on Sept. 27 and will take effect Jan. 27.

In addition to the decrease, the Supreme Court adopted another significant change in the guidelines that will raise the income threshold on the guideline grid from $15,000 to $20,000. The increase will add predictability to the support formula because more parents will be able to use the grid in their support obligation calculation, Ms. Ramsden said.

Previously, parents with monthly incomes of more than $15,000 had to use a cumbersome and time-consuming calculation called a Melzer analysis. After January, the Melzer analysis will be used for parents with monthly incomes of more than $20,000.

Federal law requires Pennsylvania and other states to review the support guidelines every four years. That process in Pennsylvania began in early 2003 with an examination of the guidelines by the Supreme Court’s Domestic Relations Procedural Rules Committee.

The court adopted the committee’s guidelines, which also included several other changes, about two weeks ago after a lengthy comment period.

The general assumption underlying the guideline calculations is that children of separated or divorced parents should receive the same amount of economic support as if the parents lived together, called the Income Shares Model.

The changes to the economic support calculations were based partly on a national study of the costs of raising children by David M. Betson, an economics professor at Notre Dame. The state also used Mr. Betson’s research, developed for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and used by two-thirds of the states, for the previous review in 1999.

When Mr. Betson updated his research four years ago, the cost of child-rearing expenses decreased, said Robert Capristo, the Pittsburgh family lawyer who chaired the Domestic Relations Procedural Rules Committee. The 2001 figures in Mr. Betson’s study were updated in 2003 to reflect cost-of-living increases, and those figures were used by the committee.

“I guess the percentage of the budget of families has gone down in recent years, common expenses, housing, for example,” Mr. Capristo said. “It’s all based on statistics.”

Mr. Betson’s calculations decreased and caused the committee to recommend commensurate changes to the support guidelines grid. But the costs of daily life for most parents will not decrease when their support payments are reduced.

“The reasoning behind the change is that the last time we did this we were basing this on data that was accurate at that time, and life changed since then,” said family lawyer Carol Mills McCarthy, whose office is Downtown.

“You have to have guidelines that are supported by data, and this is the data. It’s absolutely correct that your expenses didn’t go down. It doesn’t cost less between December of ‘05 and January of ‘06 [when the new guidelines take effect].”

Some lawyers are skeptical of the Betson research because of the dramatic downward adjustment in the support guidelines at some income levels.

“Either the old guidelines are right or the new guidelines are right, but there needs to be an explanation which,” said lawyer Catherine McFadden, of the Philadelphia office of Schader Harrison Segal and Lewis, who wrote an article on the guideline changes last year for the Pennsylvania Family Lawyer and has written extensively about child support and other family law issues.

But since the Supreme Court adopted the committee’s recommendations, the guidelines are here to stay for at least the next four or five years.

It could have been worse, family lawyers said.

The court rejected a more sweeping committee recommendation that would have dramatically altered the support formula based on the amount of time parents spend with their children. The proposal would have required calculations as small as four hours and could have reduced the support obligation of some parents by as much as 97 percent.

The proposal was opposed by many bar associations, including Allegheny County.

“It would have been a nightmare,” said Ms. Ramsden, secretary of the bar association’s Family Law Section.

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(Mike Bucsko can be reached at mbucsko@post-gazette.com or 412-263-1732.)
 


45Frank

Member
I need to know why all of the ncp's, courts and everyone else thinks that they don't need to pay a damned thing or think like it's a burdon to pay for YOUR OWN KIDS ! I am a single disabled dad with custody of my 2 children and 100% of what I have come into my home goes to food, cloths, electric and so on why do they think they shouldn't have to pay.
I need after years of recieving nothing in CS would like one good answer.




GothicAngel said:
What is the name of your state? PA :eek:
Posted in Courts and Legislatures by ANCPR on the October 10th, 2005
Child support to fall for many Pa. parents
New guidelines mean up to 30 percent decrease for some
Monday, October 10, 2005

By Mike Bucsko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Come late January, parents who receive child support may find less money in their monthly support checks.

That’s because the state Supreme Court recently adopted new child support guidelines that decrease the support obligation for the majority of parents, especially those in the upper income levels.

The effect will be significant for some parents, with decreases of as much as 30 percent.

For example, under the old guidelines, the support obligation for parents with two children and a combined monthly income of $10,000 was $2,312. The support obligation under the new guidelines is $1,840, a difference of $472.

“I actually think it’s going to have a pretty dramatic negative impact on a lot of households,” said family lawyer Mary Sue Ramsden, of the Downtown law firm Raphael Ramsden Behers. “In some cases, it may just be a couple hundred dollars, but there are people out there for whom a couple hundred dollars would make a big difference.”

The new guidelines were adopted by the Supreme Court on Sept. 27 and will take effect Jan. 27.

In addition to the decrease, the Supreme Court adopted another significant change in the guidelines that will raise the income threshold on the guideline grid from $15,000 to $20,000. The increase will add predictability to the support formula because more parents will be able to use the grid in their support obligation calculation, Ms. Ramsden said.

Previously, parents with monthly incomes of more than $15,000 had to use a cumbersome and time-consuming calculation called a Melzer analysis. After January, the Melzer analysis will be used for parents with monthly incomes of more than $20,000.

Federal law requires Pennsylvania and other states to review the support guidelines every four years. That process in Pennsylvania began in early 2003 with an examination of the guidelines by the Supreme Court’s Domestic Relations Procedural Rules Committee.

The court adopted the committee’s guidelines, which also included several other changes, about two weeks ago after a lengthy comment period.

The general assumption underlying the guideline calculations is that children of separated or divorced parents should receive the same amount of economic support as if the parents lived together, called the Income Shares Model.

The changes to the economic support calculations were based partly on a national study of the costs of raising children by David M. Betson, an economics professor at Notre Dame. The state also used Mr. Betson’s research, developed for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and used by two-thirds of the states, for the previous review in 1999.

When Mr. Betson updated his research four years ago, the cost of child-rearing expenses decreased, said Robert Capristo, the Pittsburgh family lawyer who chaired the Domestic Relations Procedural Rules Committee. The 2001 figures in Mr. Betson’s study were updated in 2003 to reflect cost-of-living increases, and those figures were used by the committee.

“I guess the percentage of the budget of families has gone down in recent years, common expenses, housing, for example,” Mr. Capristo said. “It’s all based on statistics.”

Mr. Betson’s calculations decreased and caused the committee to recommend commensurate changes to the support guidelines grid. But the costs of daily life for most parents will not decrease when their support payments are reduced.

“The reasoning behind the change is that the last time we did this we were basing this on data that was accurate at that time, and life changed since then,” said family lawyer Carol Mills McCarthy, whose office is Downtown.

“You have to have guidelines that are supported by data, and this is the data. It’s absolutely correct that your expenses didn’t go down. It doesn’t cost less between December of ‘05 and January of ‘06 [when the new guidelines take effect].”

Some lawyers are skeptical of the Betson research because of the dramatic downward adjustment in the support guidelines at some income levels.

“Either the old guidelines are right or the new guidelines are right, but there needs to be an explanation which,” said lawyer Catherine McFadden, of the Philadelphia office of Schader Harrison Segal and Lewis, who wrote an article on the guideline changes last year for the Pennsylvania Family Lawyer and has written extensively about child support and other family law issues.

But since the Supreme Court adopted the committee’s recommendations, the guidelines are here to stay for at least the next four or five years.

It could have been worse, family lawyers said.

The court rejected a more sweeping committee recommendation that would have dramatically altered the support formula based on the amount of time parents spend with their children. The proposal would have required calculations as small as four hours and could have reduced the support obligation of some parents by as much as 97 percent.

The proposal was opposed by many bar associations, including Allegheny County.

“It would have been a nightmare,” said Ms. Ramsden, secretary of the bar association’s Family Law Section.

——————————————————————————–
(Mike Bucsko can be reached at mbucsko@post-gazette.com or 412-263-1732.)
 

45Frank

Member
As strongly as believe that CS must be taken more seriousely in the whole country. I believe it must be revisited ever two or three years. You are correct things change.
In my case the X left after a massive heart attack, mine I couldn't keep her in her lifstyle any longer. She hasn't as much as bought these kids a present in two plus years and her own CIS shows a pretty good lifestyle with no liabilities other then her cars and A/C trips.


bleulaluna said:
This isn't about NCPs not wanting to pay for their children. The article didn't address dead beats. In fact, it specificially only seems to mention parents who are in very high income brackets. Someone paying over 2000$/month for one child, IMO, deserves a break. What child costs that much to support? If the economy is doing poorly, then child support should reflect that. Just as it would in any intact home, since the supposed goal of child support is to even the scales, and try to ensure that children are supported as closely as possible to what they would be if in an intact family. I think that its wonderful that cost of living adjustments in PA can go both ways...just like the financial state of our economy. 45 Frank, have you filed for child support for your two children?
 
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betterthanher

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45Frank said:
I need to know why all of the ncp's, courts and everyone else thinks that they don't need to pay a damned thing or think like it's a burdon to pay for YOUR OWN KIDS ! I am a single disabled dad with custody of my 2 children and 100% of what I have come into my home goes to food, cloths, electric and so on why do they think they shouldn't have to pay.
I need after years of recieving nothing in CS would like one good answer.
You have completely missed the point of why PA revised their child support guidelines. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with your claim that "ncp's, courts and everyone" thinking they don't need to pay.

The main reason, as I understood from reading it, is because people's incomes have decreased. And that is very much true. Ever since the 9/11/01 attacks, the economy has never truly recovered. Companies and businesses are not giving the raises and bonuses they used to. Heck, I am lucky if I get 3% increase every year for doing my job well. Plus, any raise people are now getting is going to go (or already is) to heat their homes this winter and put fuel in their cars. Outside of a handful of professions (if that), there isn't that much job stability anymore. Company's being bought out here...exported overseas there, etc.

I am sorry for your situation, but there are many, many parents out there who pay their child support, on time, and are very much involved with their kids' lives (joint custody, visitation, etc). And it's those same people who are busting their hump working a full-time AND a part-time job just to survive because of outdated child support guidelines that are putting a stress on hardworking people like that. Then, they are trying to be as involved as possible with their child's lives.

If public policy behind child support is "if the parents remained married", I highly doubt that parent would be working their butt off like that if they did remain married.

Of course, you'll have some that'll say the new guidelines are a bunch of garbage, but I applaud PA for actually being somewhat realistic and opening their eyes to what's going on for the "everyday people" (those same Joe's and Jane's who voted these lawmakers into their position -- and they are the only people who can give themselves raises at the expense of taxpayers).

I also didn't know that every four years, states are required to review their guidelines, per the Feds. That I did not know and I am glad policy exists. I think we all should be.
 
It sounds like a good idea to me. Personally, I think there ought to be a cap on how much should be paid out, no matter what the NCP's income is. It's ludicrous to assume that if the parents were still married that they'd spend all the extra money on the kid. We all know that is a joke. :rolleyes: And furthermore, if the child needs to live at the same level that they would if both parents lived together, then let them live with the richest parent. Why should one parent profit off of the other parents salary?
 
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betterthanher

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stepmom&mom said:
It sounds like a good idea to me. Personally, I think there ought to be a cap on how much should be paid out, no matter what the NCP's income is. It's ludicrous to assume that if the parents were still married that they'd spend all the extra money on the kid. We all know that is a joke. :rolleyes: And furthermore, if the child needs to live at the same level that they would if both parents lived together, then let them live with the richest parent. Why should one parent profit off of the other parents salary?
Exactly! Remember that thread on here a couple of months ago regarding P. Diddy and the amount of child support he was ordered to pay -- and he was appealing.
 
I don't care how rich P. Diddy is ~ I really can't blame the guy. Some people just can't admit that it burns them up to see someone (other than themselves) making a fortune. What is with humans and having this sense of entitlement??
 

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