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Custody: Dad over Mom

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maray11

Junior Member
What is the name of your state? ca
This is actually for my brother: He and his ex have been separated since Dec of last year. She was hospitalized from Dec 20 - Feb 8 for pnemonia and almost died. We picked up the kids on Dec 24th for christmas. They were dirty, smelling of urine, looked disheveled and dirty, they had bad breath and were infested with lice. (At this time, Mom was already in the hospital) We spent the better part of chrismas eve cleaning them up and 4 hours were ridding the kids's head of lice. We found out later that the Mom had been found onthe floor of her room unconsious with no blood pressure. Mom lives with her parents in a converted uninsullated garage. When kids were with her, they slept on the floor. Mom also has been taking Vicodin and Morphine for a digenerative back disease and Paxil and Xanax for depression. She at one point had shock treatments for her mental ills. Father stated that he couldn't work regularly because he was afarid to leave the kids (2 and 7) alone with her. She would be in a stuppor and zoned out. When the children were returned to her parent's house on Christmas day, there was an altercation between her parents and my brother. We left the kids there but then decided to go back and get the kids with the police assistance and have had them ever since in another county. Now the mother has gotten an attorney and demands the kids back and wants my brother topay alimony and child support. THe mother is permanantly disabled and is on oxeygen. There is no physical way she can take care of an active 2 year old boy. She has no desire to get physcially or mentally better. She has a history of drug abuse and at one point in the marriage had all her teeth pulled and never got dentures. My question is what are the chances my brother will retain physcial custody? What are her chances of alimony? My brother is a CNA and makes $15 an hour. He is afraid that if he pays alimony or chikd support--none of the money willa ctually go to the kids but to the grand parents that the ex wife lives with. Ex wife is totally dependent on her parents for support, care and transportion. He lives with me rent free and he has a lot of help from me with his kids. He is no saint but the lesser evil of the 2. He had a drug problem and as recent as 2 years ago, had 2 dui's which are clear now. Does the court still favor the mother historically? Will her physical state and the place where she lives be a factor? She lives in a crime ridden lice infested home. She sleeps in an uninsulated garage while, I live in an upper middle class neighborhood. The kids have their own room, clean clothes, they have a set bedtime, they brush their teeth etc..This is the first sense of normalcy they have ever had. The schools are top notch and the kids have cousins her age that she plays with. THe 7 year old wants to stay here but is afraid to tell her Mom because she doesn't want to hurt her feelings. What are my brother's chance realistically of keeping them and she get visitations?
 


BL

Senior Member
I'd like to know after you returned the kids, you then went back with Police help and took them again ?

Why were the Police involved and what grounds did you re-take them under ?

What does No teeth legally have to do with anything ?

So the Mom is disabled but has her parents helping out .

It would be entirely up to the Court for " the best interest of the child(ren) " , if the father can gain physical Custody or not .
 

maray11

Junior Member
We went back after we initally dropped them back off on Christmas day. Mother was already hospitalized and grandmother was taking care of them. When we picked the kids up, they smelt of urine, had bad breath, infested with lice and just plain stunk. Obviously grandma wasn't taking care of them. There was an altercation between wife's family and my brother during the drop off --in front of the kids which caused the kids to cry. As we were driving away, we thought about it and decided to go back and take custody as there were no custody orders or any case filed at this point. We felt we needed Police assistance because of the earlier episode.
My brother decided that he was better able to take care of this kids as his soon to be exwife was in serious condition at the hospital. She was so drugged up when they were living together that he was the primary care taker anyway. When she moved into her parents house, the parents took care of the kids. She has continuing medical problems (her words is that she is seriously ill) that will not be possible for her to take care of an active 2 year old boy and his sister. His parents will be the ones taking care of them and they did such a bang up job when she was in the hospital initially. The ex has serious mental, physical and emotional problems that she needs to get straight. The pulling teeth was one instance that illustrates her mind set--she had a couple of cracked teeth. Any other person would have it repaired. She told the dentist that she didn't want to deal with her teeth so just yank them all out!!
My niece wants to stay with her dad as the place they were living in was a pig sty and everyone always "yells" and smokes by her and her baby brother. She misses her mom but likes it where she is at better. My nephew is no longer aggressive and angry, but happy, playful and mindful of bounderies. He used to beat his sister over the head with his toy trucks and no one in that house ever corrected him. I could go on but I think you all get the gist.
They are scheduled for meditation next week but they are on polar opposites so my guess is that it will get nasty and take a long while.
Any other opinions on what my brother's chances are of retaining custody?
 

kidoday

Senior Member
Your brother has had the children since December? What has happened since the mother was released from the hospital? What type of visitation if any exists?
 

maray11

Junior Member
She still has regualr doctor visits and is on oxygen so she can't really be far drom home for extended periods of time. She sees them on the weekends due to a temporary court order. We are seeking to change that since she doesn't assist in anyway in the transporting back and forth for the kids and it takes about 3 hours and half a tank of gas one way. It is killing my brother time wise and gas money wise. She wants them EVERY weekend on from Friday at 5 through Sunday at 5. She doesn't work and hasn't since they were married so she has no concept of a 40 hour work week. It is impossible to get the kids to her by 5 when you get off at 5:30. She has some one meet him half way on the drop off time changed to 7. But it is still unfair.
This past weekend, the kids stayed up all night and were filthy again when we picked them up. They were exhausted and cranky. It takes us about 2 days to get them back to their normal self after weekend visits. Right now those visits are the fun time and coming home is not so fun because of school, house rules etc. THey are able to run amok at her home but know they can't get away with that in mine.
 

kidoday

Senior Member
Welcome to the world of visitation.

I don't see anything in your last post where the mother won't legally get every weekend. A time change may be ordered due to the distance and what time your brother gets off work. That doesn't mean you can petition the courts for a change to every other weekend. Maybe if he offered to do all the driving eow, it may push it through. Otherwise I would definately ask for shared transportation.
 

maray11

Junior Member
They have mediation this week and court to amend the temprorary visitation to every other weekend. The Summer and other extended holidays are up for discussion during mediation.
 

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