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Damage to test drive vehicle at mechanic's parking lot; dealer wants deductable

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What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Illinois

I took a used vehicle from an auto dealer to a mechanic for inspection. Prior to taking the vehicle, I signed an Assumption of Liability. After my mechanic (newly opened shop) looked it over, he parked it just in front and to the left of a 2-foot tall concrete pole, where once seated in the driver's seat it would seem perfectly fine to pull forward. As I pulled forward the pole caused extensive damage to the bumper, headlight, and right fender. I mentioned this to the mechanic's wife, who is his secretary, and she mentioned this is not the first time this has happened. I stated they should slip something over the pole so it is more visible, but they stated they could do nothing as the pole is not on their property, also indicating to me that the damage is not their responsibility. I drove straight over to my insurance agent who stated it would be covered under my policy as a temporary vehicle, etc, and that I would only be out my $500 deductable, however the dealer's insurance would have to deny the claim. The dealer states my insurance denied the claim, and sent me a letter asking for their $1000 deductable, along with their repair estimate of $1700. An adjustor with my insurance estimated the repairs at $1400. There is no proof that the dealer submitted it to their insurance nor that their deductable is what they say. They have my $150 refundable deposit they won't refund until this is settled (so I would actually just owe them $850). Legally, am I obligated to pay them a cent and are they likely to come after me for the money considering the circumstances? The liability form I signed states I would also be responsible for any legal fees they would incur collecting money for the damages. As an interesting side note, the repair estimate the dealer sent me included replacement of the fuel door, however the absense of that fuel door was a pre-existing problem even noted on my mechanic's inspection write-up. Thanks in advance.
 
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Zigner

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You are required to pay for the damage you caused...

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Illinois

I took a used vehicle from an auto dealer to a mechanic for inspection. Prior to taking the vehicle, I signed an Assumption of Liability. After my mechanic (newly opened shop) looked it over, he parked it just in front and to the left of a 2-foot tall concrete pole, where once seated in the driver's seat it would seem perfectly fine to pull forward. As I pulled forward the pole caused extensive damage to the bumper, headlight, and right fender. I mentioned this to the mechanic's wife, who is his secretary, and she mentioned this is not the first time this has happened. I stated they should slip something over the pole so it is more visible, but they stated they could do nothing as the pole is not on their property, also indicating to me that the damage is not their responsibility. I drove straight over to my insurance agent who stated it would be covered under my policy as a temporary vehicle, etc, and that I would only be out my $500 deductable, however the dealer's insurance would have to deny the claim. The dealer states my insurance denied the claim, and sent me a letter asking for their $1000 deductable, along with their repair estimate of $1700. An adjustor with my insurance estimated the repairs at $1400. There is no proof that the dealer submitted it to their insurance nor that their deductable is what they say. They have my $150 refundable deposit they won't refund until this is settled (so I would actually just owe them $850). Legally, am I obligated to pay them a cent and are they likely to come after me for the money considering the circumstances? The liability form I signed states I would also be responsible for any legal fees they would incur collecting money for the damages. As an interesting side note, the repair estimate the dealer sent me included replacement of the fuel door, however the absense of that fuel door was a pre-existing problem even noted on my mechanic's inspection write-up. Thanks in advance.
 

ecmst12

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I think you talked around the part where YOU HIT THE POLE and so are 100% responsible for all the damages. Submit the claim to your insurance company and let them handle it. You won't be responsible for more then your $500deductible out of your pocket. Your dealer's deductible is irrelevent.
 
I think you talked around the part where YOU HIT THE POLE and so are 100% responsible for all the damages. Submit the claim to your insurance company and let them handle it. You won't be responsible for more then your $500deductible out of your pocket. Your dealer's deductible is irrelevent.

Well, it is true you get what you pay for... did you read the rest of what I wrote? Yes, I hit the pole... congratulations for figuring that out, but that isn't the problem. The problem is I submitted it to my insurance and they won't approve it until the dealer's insurance denies it. Either the dealer did not submit it to their insurance (most likely), or the dealer's insurance approved it. In either event, I'm not in the situation where I'm only responsible for my $500 deductable! The dealer want's their [presumed] $1000 deductable, and if it is true that they submitted it to their insurance, their insurance might also want to come after me, so I may be hit twice. This isn't a question of who's responsible. This is a question of how in the *&#$ do I deal with this, or for starters, can they legally make me pay their deductable? Unless you can answer either of these two question, you are not helping.
 

Labtec600

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The contract you signed is important. If you signed something and it makes your policy secondary over the dealers policy, then you're going to have to pay the $1,000 deductible (the dealer will, but I'm sure the dealer is going to come after you for it). This sounds like what happened.
 
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The contract you signed is important. If you signed something and it makes your policy secondary over the dealers policy, then you're going to have to pay the $1,000 deductible (the dealer will, but I'm sure the dealer is going to come after you for it). This sounds like what happened.

The thing I signed required all my insurance information be filled-in.
 
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Labtec600

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What is your insurance companies reason for saying the other carrier has to deny coverage before your carrier can pay?
 

ecmst12

Senior Member
Your insurance is primary. I suspect they want to make sure the dealer isn't going to try to double-collect, from you and their own insurance. Their insurance will come after you and THEN you can turn it in to your insurance. They will pay all but YOUR $500 ded.
 
Your insurance is primary. I suspect they want to make sure the dealer isn't going to try to double-collect, from you and their own insurance. Their insurance will come after you and THEN you can turn it in to your insurance. They will pay all but YOUR $500 ded.

I should clarify: Illinois law stating who ever own's the property, their insurance is first responsible.
 
Cite the law.

What I could do (since I--nor would it seem the dealer--want to involve the insurance companies) is send the dealer a letter citing the law and offering $500 (actually $350 since they already have $150) since that is all I would have to pay if things were to proceed as they should through the insurance companies, and have him sign a release of all claims form if he were to accept this. If he doesn't like that (which he won't), then he will have to file it with his insurance, and his insurance will have to come after mine. The problem with the later is that the Assumption of Liability form I signed says I would be responsible for any deductable, so I might be responsible for both his deductable and mine.
 

VeronicaLodge

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what you should do is listen to ECMST12 and submit it to your insurance. but you don't seem to want to do that, so just do what it is you want to do. why even ask ?
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
What I could do (since I--nor would it seem the dealer--want to involve the insurance companies) is send the dealer a letter citing the law and offering $500 (actually $350 since they already have $150) since that is all I would have to pay if things were to proceed as they should through the insurance companies, and have him sign a release of all claims form if he were to accept this. If he doesn't like that (which he won't), then he will have to file it with his insurance, and his insurance will have to come after mine. The problem with the later is that the Assumption of Liability form I signed says I would be responsible for any deductable, so I might be responsible for both his deductable and mine.

What I said before is: You are required to pay for the damage you caused...

That is not entirely true. What I SHOULD have said is that you are fully LIABLE for the damage you caused.
 
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