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Dead beat mom vs, step mom

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inkleberry

Junior Member
What is the name of your state? New York.

I am new to this family law stuff and am quite frustrated with the perdicament my husband and I are in. I will give you a short version of the drama.

My husband had a child with a woman I shall refer to as A. When the baby was two and in A's care, she was abused. Everyone that saw the baby in the hospital that day, had a hunch A beat her. The baby was afraid of A and wouldn't go near her. However, A blamed her boyfriend at the time. The case was unfounded because the doctor on call refused to testify to prove it was A. As the boyfriend was found innocent. The custody was granted to my husband, S. A had supervised visitation, where she is not to have men around. A picked fights with all persons that supervised her visits, thus she got to visit without the supervision. Visitation was modified several times, they finally gave in and agreed to this. A would have visitation with the baby -K the first three weekends of each month. Split holidays and in summer time, she got K for 5 weeks and S got her on the weekends. The first year this was in action, A would have K call her dad and beg to stay another night. He would say no, and she would cry. A was not to have men over. S heard she had a boyfriend there, he went over to find out and alas, the boyfriend was hiding in the closet. A played the restraining order game. When K was 4, she would come home and talk about how Adrien abused her. A was telling k this. K came home as an emotional time bomb. She threw these wicked fits, shook fists, threatened to break windows and then told S and I that her mom said we are moving her far away and she will never see mom again so she hated us. A had another baby..and got married. We thought perhaps she was growing up. A's husband R was left in charge of the kids each night as A went out drinking and partying and yes, sleeping around. R was a sweet man, and K was used to calling him dad (step dad). During summer time, A called us to get k early, claiming she had the flu. After the third week, we realised she was hung over and according to husband, drank every night. He was getting tired of her behavior and worried about how she was going to deal with the kids when he went to work. We also found out A would drop K off with her sister and her husband (a possible child mollester) or her parents on days she should be caring for the kids. A never worked either.
A left her husband and claimed she was lesbian and was also having an affair with two men each named mike. K would come home and tell us about these men, and we were worried for her safety while with her mom. R moved out and A got a female roommate, a girlfriend. A gave up custody of her baby, and moved to Ohio. She never said bye to K. After she moved, she called once a month to talk to K. K was destroyed that her mom moved away. It took several months for her to be normal. She is now so well adjusted, she is perfect. A came to visit once a month, even though she was in town twice a month. When she visited K, we didn't allow overnights for some time, when we did, she went out drinking, leaving K with her parents. A rarely spent quality time with K. K began to not want to see her mom.
K also missed her sister J, because of her mom, k rarely saw her.

A was forced to pay a real low amount for child support, and because of that, she moved back to ny. When she moved to ohio, we assumed we had her on abandonment and the visitation was no longer a reality. Now she is back in town and not working and not really trying to see k. She has another new boyfriend, after just leaving one in Ohio. A had k two weekends ago, and made k sleep in bed with this new boyfriend that we know nothing about. A lives with her parents and cannot provide proper living space for K. We are no longer allowing overnight visitation, and we are ignoring the court ordered visitation since so much has changed.
What are our rights?
Will we be held in contempt for not allowing the same visitation? I know we need to return to court for modification, but we do not have the money right now, nor does she so we are setting the rules. She has been lying to us, and to k and i fear she will break down the stability we built for k since she moved away.

Help
 


haiku

Senior Member
to be honest with you, I don't think to many people are going to wade through that alphabet game.

Bottom line and I really hate to say this as a step parent who gets tired of seeing it said on this site, but in your case I think it is warranted.

there is no 'WE" when it comes to this. this problem is between the two parents, and you are not a parent. Legally you have no say and should really take a backseat when it comes to ANY negotiations between your husband and this 'a' person OK? (by the way you may want to look closely and edit-if you don't want her name in print)

Secondly, and MOST importantly, your husband CANNOT call the shots because he has decided he does not like his ex's lifestyle. SO what if she is lying to you. It is not your business. Most of what you posted is really irrelevant. unless you can prove mortal danger to the kid. the courts do not like to decide morals. Obviously at some point the court gave her unsupervised visitation. This means she has the right to do as she pleases at that time. And this also includes NOT exersizing said visitation rights-your claim of abandonment is baseless, as long as she continued paying support-even irradically.

the ONLY thing that can change a court order is another court order. Your husband must abide by it, and that includes overnights if 'a' is entitled to them and wants to use them.

He, and you are wrong, and will be in huge trouble should A decide to take him to court. So get your ducks in a row and go to court before you continue to deny her RIGHT to visitation.
 

inkleberry

Junior Member
Considering that the child was abused by mom's boyfriend, and her boyfriends as of late have had criminal records, I believe we do have reason to worry. In the court order, it is stated that the child stays in her mom's house. Her mom doesn't have a house and where she lives, hasn't the room for the child to stay. I was also informed that my husband can dictate to an extent, in this state, what he wishes while the child is in her mom's care. He can ask her not to bring men home etc...granted that would not fit well with civil liberties and it does boil down to going to court, the inevitable.

I understand there is no WE per say, but there is in our house. He and this woman are the bio parents, fine....but I stand behind his decisions thus, WE.
I was looking for some info regarding his rights, as custodial.
 

haiku

Senior Member
inkleberry said:
Considering that the child was abused by mom's boyfriend, and her boyfriends as of late have had criminal records, I believe we do have reason to worry.
***Without a court order stating otherwise you have no right to deny based on 'worry". you need solid proof to take to court with you. i am assumming you called the police on this abuse?***

In the court order, it is stated that the child stays in her mom's house. Her mom doesn't have a house and where she lives, hasn't the room for the child to stay.

***have you read the court order, is that what it states word for word? Are we talking about the child or the childs mom. because I would assume whereever a person lives IS thier home.****

I was also informed that my husband can dictate to an extent, in this state, what he wishes while the child is in her mom's care. He can ask her not to bring men home etc...granted that would not fit well with civil liberties and it does boil down to going to court, the inevitable.

***Somehow I think you have been misinformed, custodial parents do not get to dictate an NCP's time unless stated explicitly in the court order***

I understand there is no WE per say, but there is in our house. ***and thats where it stays*** He and this woman are the bio parents, fine....but I stand behind his decisions thus, WE. ***great just don't stick yourself in the middle, you could make relations with mom worse not better***
I was looking for some info regarding his rights, as custodial. ***Fine too***
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stealth2

Under the Radar Member
Unfortunately, there is no proof that the b/f did abuse the child - he was not convicted. While Dad can ASK Mom not to do certain things, he cannot withhold visitation if she refuses to comply. He is skating on thin ice with denying her the visitation the court awarded her. At the VERY least, he needs to speak with an attorney.
 

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