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Disqualified for ui benefits under misconduct, can i protest and appeal under my circ

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Tabbycat9054

Junior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Michigan I recently got disqualified for ui benefits under act mes sec. 29 1b for misconduct they claim that although i had not received past warnings, i was aware of the policy. Misconduct in connection with the work has been established. Although this is very incorrect i was initially fired for bringing my child to work with me. This is something that I've done many times in the past and even had been asked to come in to cover shifts with my child by my firing manager. So what i WAS aware of was that bringing my child to work was ok and sometimes necessary. Every time i ever brought my child with me they were aware of it. They also claim i signed something that said bringing children to work was against company policy, this is fabricated. I was never told that i could be fired for bringing child and in fact made to believe the opposite. I have even witnessed my superiors asking other employees to bring up to three children to work with them for their shifts and doing it. i would like to protest and appeal this determination. Would i be able to and do you think i would have grounds to do so?
 


commentator

Senior Member
Well good gosh yes. Of course you "would be able to protest." Have you received your notice that says "If you wish to appeal this decision...."? If so, respond by saying (in letter form or by fax, however they say to do it) "I wish to appeal this decision" within the time limit for doing so. They will set up a telephone or personal hearing for you. If you are going to do a personal hearing, for heaven's sake, BE SURE YOU HAVE A SITTER!!! Do not set up an in person hearing if you are going to have to bring your child to this.
But of course you can appeal, will be expected to appeal if you are denied in the first decision, and have the right to do so. In this case, I believe you have some rather valid grounds to appeal, too.

Okay, you mention "under my circumstances" I hope you would not be planning to argue about need. No one cares that you do not have a sitter. No one cares that you are not wealthy or that you are a single mother or that you really need to work because you have lots of problems. Unemployment is all about the law, and it is not at all related to your personal circumstances, except for your work situation and what exactly happened there and whether the law was followed.

That is what you will keep your appeal testimony to, at the time of the hearing. Remember, you do not have to make the argument in the submission of a request for an appeal. You don't write them a letter laying out your case, you just say, I wish to appeal. Then all the fact finding is done at the hearing.
At the hearing, you will not be required to quote unemployment laws to them, you will simply tell what is your side of this story.

Your circumstances are that you worked for xyz company for xxx number of months (or years.) During that time, you were allowed to bring your child to work when child care was an issue xxx number of times. Your supervisor was aware that you did this. You had never been given any warnings that if you brought your child to work, you would be terminated. They had never told you that you were in danger of being terminated (if this is true.)

It is interesting to me that you have given us information that is almost textbook in the training of people to make these kinds of unemployment decisions. The things you would need to emphasize are that you worked there for a period in which you repeatedly did the act they eventually fired you for. They were aware of this, even as you were aware of a policy that you weren't supposed to do it. In other words you were not fired immediately for bringing your child to work you were fired after you had done it several times without repercussions. Your supervisors were aware.

That they made up or falsified warnings or lied about giving such warnings isn't too unusual. I have seen this before, up to and including faked employee signatures on bogus "warnings."

What you do is state, clearly and definitely that you did not receive such a warning on such and such a date, or ever, and that you did NOT know that your job was in danger. If they have your signature, you can say, "This is NOT my signature."

The hearing officer is to expect that either or both parties in this hearing may be lying. They are supposed to decide which of you is the most believable. Do not lose your temper or become argumentative at any time during your hearing. Be calm, be reasonable, and tell the truth.

Speak quietly and clearly. Practice your story before you go in. You may want to have some very brief notes, such as talking points on your hand, but don't go in with a bunch of written material and try to read off your argument. Listen carefully to the hearing appeals officer, who will ask questions if need be to obtain what they are looking for.

Keep making the weekly certifications for benefits, even though your claim has been denied. If you were to win in the hearing, you'd be back paid only for weeks that you had certified for, so continue that process each week or every other week as you have been instructed to do.

Read up on this site about unemployment hearings, there are lots of posts we've gone through before. But GET THAT APPEAL REQUEST IN TIMELY. If not, forget the whole appeals process.
 
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Chyvan

Member

You've got a long wait. MI is one of those states that is just militant on the REdetermination process. Just submit your appeal online. Select the "no additional information" option. In about 6 weeks, you'll get pretty much the same determination you got the first time around. At that point, you'll be able to appeal where you'll be able to have a hearing, and at that point, you'll get a much better chance at getting the determination reversed. You're looking at atleast 12 weeks before you see that first UI check. Budget accordingly.

When you get to the hearing phase, MI will provide a free advocate. Get one. Many are very good.
 
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Tabbycat9054

Junior Member
To commentator

Thank you for your reply. No i don't believe my case needs to have anything to do with not having a sitter or being single mother. I received my redetermination letter claiming that although i had not received previous warning i WAS aware of said policies. So they know i wasnt warned, so how could i be aware?
 

Proserpina

Senior Member
Thank you for your reply. No i don't believe my case needs to have anything to do with not having a sitter or being single mother. I received my redetermination letter claiming that although i had not received previous warning i WAS aware of said policies. So they know i wasnt warned, so how could i be aware?

Because you can be aware of something without having warned about it previously.
 

commentator

Senior Member
File the appeal timely as instructed on your decision letter. Get a hearing scheduled. As has been suggested, get ready for a long wait, but once you get a hearing, they will reexamine the story. And you can point out to them that you were aware of the policy, but assumed, since it was not enforced, that it didn't really apply.
 
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Tabbycat9054

Junior Member
You misunderstand i was NOT aware of said policy. The policy doesnt exist on paper nor was it ever verbally expressed.
Thank you so much for your comments you have reassured me and i have begun the protest/appeal process.
 

cbg

I'm a Northern Girl
i was NOT aware of said policy. The policy doesnt exist on paper nor was it ever verbally expressed.

Then that is what you tell them.
 

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