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woodymom4

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I took my daughter to the doctor the other day for a sore throat and cough (she is 14). The doctor came in and said he needed more family history and began asking questions. He asked if I could leave that the baby was making to much noise and he couldn't hear well. My daughter said it would be okay. Finally I was called back and he said she had a virus or flu and it would have to run its coarse. We then left.
When we got home my daughter got very upset and proceded to tell me that the doctor asked her some very personal questions that really upset her. If she had a boyfriend, which she replied no. If she was sexually active, again she replied no. Then he told her that he enjoyed talking to young girls about their problems and that she could trust him and that he wouldn't tell me anything. He then started asking more questions, have you ever been touched by anyone that upset you, she answered no. Then he started asking more questions about her brothers and if she liked them and if they had ever tried anything with her.
What can I do? We went in because she had a cold and we ended up with a child that never wants to go to the doctor again. When I called and complained to the office their reply was that this doctor gets young girls to talk to him to help them with problems. We are a very close family and we talk about everything with each other. Oh, there was no nurse in the exam room with the male doctor and my daughter. What can I do? Do I have a law suit?
 


I AM ALWAYS LIABLE

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My response:

You should be ashamed of yourself. For God's sake, he's a doctor! You should be happy that someone took the short amount of time to take an interest in the welfare and wellbeing of your daughter.

So what that it was embarrassing! As a heathcare provider, he has every right to ask about your daughter's experiences and interactions with others. This is how disease is spread, and a time for discovery of sorded facts. The doctor is, by law, imbued with the responsibility to inquire and report wrongdoings. Ever heard of "Child Welfare" laws?

You may be a family that communicates, and that's all very fine and well. But, everyone has a secret, including yourself. Perhaps your daughter was being molested by a teacher. Wouldn't you want to know that? What if your daughter was too ashamed to speak up - - to you or anyone?

Start looking at the good things that doctors do, and stop trying to find fault with practicioners who at least took the time to ask. Some kids grow up and say, "No one ever asked me or took an interest in me." Well, this doctor did, and more power to him.

So, to answer your question, absolutely not.

IAAL
 
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ace-red

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I agree with you IAAL.

Why would any mother leave a minor alone in an exam room? :confused: Screaming kids or not...
While I was growing up, my mom would go in with me until I was old enough to drive myself.
I remember the embarassment when I was asked those same questions, (less the brother stuff they were 7, 2, and 1)
and I had to answer them differently, in front of my mom. No I didn't have a boyfriend and I had to ask what constitutes sexually active? Intercourse? (No) Oral Sex?(yes)
The look of dread on my Mother's face, she didn't yell and scream all the way home, she wanted to know who? what? where? why? She told me she already knew 'how'. We discussed it and she gave me some real good information. She'd kill me if she found that I was sexually active. I wasn't for the next couple of years. (Strictly out of fear for my life)
 
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PamSJS

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Dear Mom;

I, unlike IAAL and "Ace-Red" disagree. Have you people ever heard of privacy? Everyone is entitled to it, even 14 year olds.

A physician has absolutely no right to delve into your daughters personal business, UNLESS he has some conclusive evidence that she has been abused or neglected. Having a sore throat has absolutely nothing to do with her sexual experience.

Mom, contact your state medical licensing board and file a complaint against this physician. Perhaps he is only interested in your childs well-being. Then, on the other hand, he may be a pedophile. You may be the first to complain, then again, you may be one in a long list of others. Being a mother myself (maybe that's why our opinions differ so much) I would certainly be just as concerned.

God bless you for loving and caring for your daughter as you obviously do!

Pam

 

I AM ALWAYS LIABLE

Senior Member
PamSJS said:
Dear Mom;

I, unlike IAAL and "Ace-Red" disagree. Have you people ever heard of privacy? Everyone is entitled to it, even 14 year olds.

A physician has absolutely no right to delve into your daughters personal business, UNLESS he has some conclusive evidence that she has been abused or neglected. Having a sore throat has absolutely nothing to do with her sexual experience.

Mom, contact your state medical licensing board and file a complaint against this physician. Perhaps he is only interested in your childs well-being. Then, on the other hand, he may be a pedophile. You may be the first to complain, then again, you may be one in a long list of others. Being a mother myself (maybe that's why our opinions differ so much) I would certainly be just as concerned.

God bless you for loving and caring for your daughter as you obviously do!

Pam


My response:

Pam, you may not like it, but don't blame the doctor. It's not a matter of "privacy" so much as it is about "Public Health".

A doctor is required, by various Health laws, to make certain inquiries. Doing so guards against the spread of certain, and known, transmission of disease - - something that a doctor is in the best position to ask about. Also, such questions might lead to certain necessary medical treatments if a child tests positive for any infection.

How else would a child know whether they are suffering from Hepatitus, or a sexually transmitted disease? Without asking certain questions, a child may not be able to add up or identify for themselves why they are listless, or why they are experiencing certain "itching", or otherwise.

A doctor knows that children are embarrassed by such questions, and need to be alone with the child in order to obtain uninhibited answers. It also makes no difference why the child was seen in the first place; e.g., sore throat. Whenever a child is seen, and for whatever reason, it's always a good time to obtain a history, and to make sure nothing else is going on that could harm the child. The laws are in place for the best interests of our children, and for Society in general.

So, don't blame the doctor - - if anyone is to blame (which they are not), it's the State Legislators for enacting such health laws.

These laws protect you, me, and the rest of Society. To put ones head in the sand can lead to certain doom, and ignorance can kill.

Insofar as the doctor being a pedophile, don't be rediculous. The doctor is asking questions for health reasons. Wouldn't you rather head a problem "off at the pass" than wait for life-threatening symptoms to occur?

IAAL


[Edited by I AM ALWAYS LIABLE on 01-25-2001 at 01:25 PM]
 
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PamSJS

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This has absolutely NOTHING to do with the public health! Since when is a 14 year old with a sore throat a threat to the public health?

This is a mother who took her child to a physician for a common sore throat, possibly from strep, or maybe mono. Suddenly, she is interogated about her sexual history?

You're way off base, IAAL.

Pam

P.S. If there is a law REQUIRING physicians to question 14 year old female patients about their sexual activity, please point me to it. I'd like to be brought up to date.
 
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PamSJS

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You didn't answer the question, IAAL....what does a 14 year old female patient with a sore throat (quite common from my memory of being a teen-ager) have to do with sexual abuse or whether or not she is sexually active? Or, is a sore throat now a sign/symptom of sexual abuse?

As I recall, the Federal law you have referred to, and most of the states, require that a physician report ANY person/patient who shows signs or symptoms of physical abuse, i.e., bruises, burns, cuts, broken bones, etc., which could be the result of abuse, when there is no other explanation, to the state welfare department or child protective services. Does that now include 14 year old patients who present with a sore throat? Please, explain.

Pam

 

I AM ALWAYS LIABLE

Senior Member
Perhaps, there was a reason to suspect ?

My response:

It makes no difference whether the child is being seen for a sore throat. The "right" and "obligation" of the doctor is set by Federal law and State statutes (in this case, Virginia). For example, without questioning, how does a doctor evaluate a patient's mental status concerning certain issues, and then being able to extrapolate from those feeling a potential health and welfare risk? Without questioning, how is a doctor to find out if a child has been sexually abused? A doctor is allowed, and even required, to make a verbal assessment of a child's state of mind and physical well-being, even if it has nothing whatever to do with the original purpose of the visit.

A doctor does not need to only see "outward" signs of abuse; e.g., broken arm, bite marks, etc. Sometimes, abuse is of the mind.


Virgina State Statute:

§ 63.1-248.2. Definitions.

As used in this chapter unless the context requires a different meaning:

"Abused or neglected child" means any child less than eighteen years of age:

1. Whose parents or other person responsible for his care creates or inflicts, threatens to create or inflict, or allows to be created or inflicted upon such child a physical or mental injury by other than accidental means, or creates a substantial risk of death, disfigurement, or impairment of bodily or mental functions;

2. Whose parents or other person responsible for his care neglects or refuses to provide care necessary for his health. However, no child who in good faith is under treatment solely by spiritual means through prayer in accordance with the tenets and practices of a recognized church or religious denomination shall for that reason alone be considered to be an abused or neglected child;

3. Whose parents or other person responsible for his care abandons such child;

4. Whose parents or other person responsible for his care commits or allows to be committed any act of sexual exploitation or any sexual act upon a child in violation of the law; or

5. Who is without parental care or guardianship caused by the unreasonable absence or the mental or physical incapacity of the child's parent, guardian, legal custodian or other person standing in loco parentis.

"Complaint" means any information or allegation of abuse or neglect made orally or in writing other than the reports referred to below.

"Department" means the State Department of Social Services.

"Family assessment" means the collection of information necessary to determine:

1. The immediate safety needs of the child;

2. The protective and rehabilitative services needs of the child and family that will deter abuse or neglect;

3. Risk of future harm to the child; and

4. Alternative plans for the child's safety if protective and rehabilitative services are indicated and the family is unable or unwilling to participate in services.

"Investigation" means the collection of information necessary to determine:

1. The immediate safety needs of the child;

2. The protective and rehabilitative services needs of the child and family that will deter abuse or neglect;

3. Risk of future harm to the child;

4. Alternative plans for the child's safety if protective and rehabilitative services are indicated and the family is unable or unwilling to participate in services;

5. Whether or not abuse or neglect has occurred;

6. If abuse or neglect has occurred, who abused or neglected the child; and

7. A finding of either founded or unfounded based on the facts collected during the investigation.

"Local department" means the department of public welfare or social services of any county or city in this Commonwealth.

"Prevention" means efforts that (i) promote health and competence in people and (ii) create, promote and strengthen environments that nurture people in their development.

"Report" means an official document on which information is given concerning abuse and neglect and which is required to be made by persons designated herein and by local departments in those situations in which a complaint from the general public reveals suspected abuse or neglect.

"The court" means the juvenile and domestic relations district court of the county or city.

"Valid report or complaint" means the local department of social services has evaluated the information and allegations of the report or complaint and determined that the local department shall conduct an investigation or family assessment because the following elements are present:

1. The alleged victim child or children are under the age of eighteen at the time of the complaint or report;

2. The alleged abuser is the alleged victim child's parent or other caretaker;

3. The local department receiving the complaint or report is a local department of jurisdiction; and

4. The circumstances described allege suspected child abuse or neglect.

Nothing in this section shall relieve any person specified in § 63.1-248.3 from making reports required in that section, regardless of the identity of the person suspected to have caused such abuse or neglect.



§ 63.1-248.3. Physicians, nurses, teachers, etc., to report certain injuries to children; penalty for failure to report.
A. The following persons who, in their professional or official capacity, have reason to suspect that a child is an abused or neglected child, shall report the matter immediately, except as hereinafter provided, to the local department of the county or city wherein the child resides or wherein the abuse or neglect is believed to have occurred or to the Department of Social Services' toll-free child abuse and neglect hotline:
1. Any person licensed to practice medicine or any of the healing arts;
2. Any hospital resident or intern, and any person employed in the nursing profession;
3. Any person employed as a social worker;
4. Any probation officer;
5. Any teacher or other person employed in a public or private school, kindergarten or nursery school;
6. Any person providing full-time or part-time child care for pay on a regularly planned basis;
7. Any duly accredited Christian Science practitioner;
8. Any mental health professional;
9. Any law-enforcement officer;
10. Any mediator eligible to receive court referrals pursuant to § 8.01-576.8;
11. Any professional staff person, not previously enumerated, employed by a private or state-operated hospital, institution or facility to which children have been committed or where children have been placed for care and treatment;
12. Any person associated with or employed by any private organization responsible for the care, custody or control of children; and
13. Any person who is designated a court-appointed special advocate pursuant to Article 1.4 (§ 9-173.6 et seq.) of Chapter 27 of Title 9.
If neither the locality in which the child resides or where the abuse or neglect is believed to have occurred is known, then such report shall be made to the local department of the county or city where the abuse or neglect was discovered or to the Department of Social Services' toll-free child abuse and neglect hotline.
If an employee of the local department is suspected of abusing or neglecting a child, the report shall be made to the juvenile and domestic relations district court of the county or city where the abuse or neglect was discovered. Upon receipt of such a report by the court, the judge of the juvenile and domestic relations district court shall assign the report to a local department of social services that is not the employer of the suspected employee for investigation or family assessment; or, if the judge believes that no local department of social services within a reasonable geographic distance can be impartial in responding to the reported case, the judge shall assign the report to the court service unit of his court for evaluation. The judge may consult with the State Department of Social Services in selecting a local department to respond to the report or the complaint.
If the information is received by a teacher, staff member, resident, intern or nurse in the course of professional services in a hospital, school or similar institution, such person may, in place of said report, immediately notify the person in charge of the institution or department, or his designee, who shall make such report forthwith.
The initial report may be an oral report but such report shall be reduced to writing by the child abuse coordinator of the local department on a form prescribed by the State Board of Social Services. The person required to make the report shall disclose all information which is the basis for his suspicion of abuse or neglect of the child and, upon request, shall make available to the child-protective services coordinator and the local department of social services, which is the agency of jurisdiction, any records or reports which document the basis for the report.
A1. For purposes of subsection A, "reason to suspect that a child is abused or neglected" shall include (i) a finding made by an attending physician within seven days of a child's birth that the results of a blood or urine test conducted within forty-eight hours of the birth of the child indicate the presence of a controlled substance not prescribed for the mother by a physician; (ii) a finding by an attending physician made within forty-eight hours of a child's birth that the child was born dependent on a controlled substance which was not prescribed by a physician for the mother and has demonstrated withdrawal symptoms; (iii) a diagnosis by an attending physician made within seven days of a child's birth that the child has an illness, disease or condition which, to a reasonable degree of medical certainty, is attributable to in utero exposure to a controlled substance which was not prescribed by a physician for the mother or the child; or (iv) a diagnosis by an attending physician made within seven days of a child's birth that the child has fetal alcohol syndrome attributable to in utero exposure to alcohol. When "reason to suspect" is based upon this subsection, such fact shall be included in the report along with the facts relied upon by the person making the report.
B. Any person required to file a report pursuant to this section who fails to do so within seventy-two hours of his first suspicion of child abuse or neglect shall be fined not more than $500 for the first failure and for any subsequent failures not less than $100 nor more than $1,000.


I'm done, you're right, I don't care anymore.

Hang the doctor, shoot him, have him imprisoned for pedophilia.

IAAL

[Edited by I AM ALWAYS LIABLE on 01-26-2001 at 04:16 PM]
 
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PamSJS

Guest
We still have not resolved the issue of why a teen-ager who seeks medical care for a sore throat is subjected to interrogation by her physician about her sexual activity. The mother made it very clear that the girl felt very "uncomfortable" being questioned. She further indicated that they are a "close family who talks about everything." I assume from this statement if the girl DID have such a problem, the mother feels confident that the daughter would confide in her.

So, there are no physical signs of abuse/neglect....and the daughter obviously did not make any statement to open this line of conversation with the physician.

You are twisting the law to justify your opinion of this matter. Contrary to what you may want to believe, IAAL, there are families in our society whose children are not sexually active, and who do maintain a good, open and honest relationship with their parents. Where does this guy get off questioning this girl, and why are you so adamant about defending him?
 

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