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Does Virginia code 60.2-623(B) protect me in a criminal court of law?

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russharv63

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What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Virginia
I was let go at work because my employer took a criminal charge out on me for misconduct on the job. I want to apply for unemployment benefits with the Virginia Employment Commission. I will have to discuss my case against me by my employer at the VEC hearings. Does Virginia code 60.2-623(B) protect me from my employer using the VEC proceedings and hearings in a criminal court of law?
 


adjusterjack

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Please post your question in your original thread.

https://forum.freeadvice.com/hiring-firing-wrongful-termination-5/how-can-you-file-unemployment-when-your-lawyer-says-not-speak-about-your-issue-645280.html

It's an annoying waste of time to see the same topic in a new thread.
 

PayrollHRGuy

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Here's the section of the law that may protect you.

B. Information furnished the Commission under the provisions of this chapter shall not be published or be open to public inspection, other than to public employees in the performance of their public duties. Neither such information, nor any determination or decision rendered under the provisions of § 60.2-619, 60.2-620 or 60.2-622, shall be used in any judicial or administrative proceeding other than one arising out of the provisions of this title; however, the Commission shall make its records about a claimant available to the Workers' Compensation Commission if it requests such records. The Commission may also, in its discretion, furnish copies of the transcript of hearings to any party.

No determination or decision can be used against you. But since the employer can receive a transcript of the hearing it seems that there is nothing in the law that would bar a criminal court from using it in a criminal prosecution.
 

quincy

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What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Virginia
I was let go at work because my employer took a criminal charge out on me for misconduct on the job. I want to apply for unemployment benefits with the Virginia Employment Commission. I will have to discuss my case against me by my employer at the VEC hearings. Does Virginia code 60.2-623(B) protect me from my employer using the VEC proceedings and hearings in a criminal court of law?

The same evidence your employer presented at the VEC hearing can be used in criminal court. Is that what you are asking?

If you are concerned - and you should be - that what you say in the VEC hearing can be used against you, you should delay applying for benefits and you should have a lawyer assist you with the criminal charges.

Your lawyer will no doubt tell you to not discuss the criminal case at all, to anyone but him.

Sorry, adjusterjack. I did not check posting history first. I agree all questions should have been kept to the original thread.
 
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commentator

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The reason I disagree with some others on this issue is twofold. In the first place, I have probably seen fifty or more cases in unemployment benefits issues where the employer had accused the claimant of workplace malfeasance and criminal charges were pending. Some of them were quite valid, and some of them were very sketchy. The former employee is out of work. This may cause financial hardship.

In this case, actual criminal charges have been filed, and the potential claimant has retained an attorney. He has received what I'd consider standard advice not to discuss his case with anyone. I maintain that this is not likely to preclude the filing of unemployment benefits. He is, at the present time, maintaining that he is out of work through no fault of his own. He has been accused of a workplace misconduct that is so egregious that criminal charges have been pressed.

He needs to consider how great are the chances that the employer can show ready and convincing evidence of this misconduct? If the employer is willing to come into the unemployment system, which in most cases IS a closed system to everyone but either of the two parties, and show them the evidence, or be more convincing than the claimant that the actual crime occurred and he did it, then he's not going to win the unemployment approval.

And frankly, I've see a few claimants talk themselves right out of benefits, and probably give the employer some more evidence of how the crime was committed due to their stupidity and inability not to self-incriminate while in their unemployment hearing. I've seen employers present some jam up absolutely indisputable evidence that the claimant actually did it, whatever it was (in one case, setting the building on fire deliberately, in many cases theft, assault, etc.) And in those cases, the claim wasn't approved.

But I have never seen or heard of the whole concept of "not discussing your case" carried over into not filing a claim for unemployment benefits.
 

quincy

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The reason I disagree with some others on this issue is twofold. In the first place, I have probably seen fifty or more cases in unemployment benefits issues where the employer had accused the claimant of workplace malfeasance and criminal charges were pending. Some of them were quite valid, and some of them were very sketchy. The former employee is out of work. This may cause financial hardship.

In this case, actual criminal charges have been filed, and the potential claimant has retained an attorney. He has received what I'd consider standard advice not to discuss his case with anyone. I maintain that this is not likely to preclude the filing of unemployment benefits. He is, at the present time, maintaining that he is out of work through no fault of his own. He has been accused of a workplace misconduct that is so egregious that criminal charges have been pressed.

He needs to consider how great are the chances that the employer can show ready and convincing evidence of this misconduct? If the employer is willing to come into the unemployment system, which in most cases IS a closed system to everyone but either of the two parties, and show them the evidence, or be more convincing than the claimant that the actual crime occurred and he did it, then he's not going to win the unemployment approval.

And frankly, I've see a few claimants talk themselves right out of benefits, and probably give the employer some more evidence of how the crime was committed due to their stupidity and inability not to self-incriminate while in their unemployment hearing. I've seen employers present some jam up absolutely indisputable evidence that the claimant actually did it, whatever it was (in one case, setting the building on fire deliberately, in many cases theft, assault, etc.) And in those cases, the claim wasn't approved.

But I have never seen or heard of the whole concept of "not discussing your case" carried over into not filing a claim for unemployment benefits.

russharv should follow the advice of his criminal defense attorney. Period.
 
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