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wamuwoes

Junior Member
What is the name of your state? Ma.

OK - I posted before how my mortgage company did not process my FHA loan properly and that as a result our loan was never insured. We then fell behind in payments and were not eligible for the FHA insurance. We hired an attorney who filed an inquiry with them and this is what their response was:

They admitted mortgage #1 (closing date Oct 2002) was actually insured March 8 2004.
WRT our FHS Streamline loan (March 15, 2004)
They then went on to say that the lender has 60 days to file required documentation including payment history in order to insure loan. They also said when our paperwork was being "prepared" (which iow - means they never submitted it) we were already overdue for our May and June payments and that the loan "would have been uninsurable"

Bunch of things wrong here:
#1 - when reading about what quality control is SUPPOSED to look at when reviewing a loan this was their guideline:

Determine whether the loan was submitted for insurance within 60 days of closing or included a payment history showing the loan was current when it was submitted for mortgage insurance.
So first lie was-a loan submitted within 60 days needs payment history for approval, where it is clear that as long as proper documents are received in the 60 days payment history is not required.

#2 - saying our loan would have been uninsurable with may and June past due is a lie as well:
From HUD guidelines:
If any mortgage trade line including mortgage line-of-credit
payments, during the most recent 12 months, shows:
3 or more late payments of greater than 30 days; or
1 or more late payments of 60 days plus one or more 30-day late
payments; or
1 payment greater than 90 days late,
the loan application must be referred to a DE underwriter for review.


EVEN in the cases above it is not automatic rejection - it would just need manual underwriting. BUT since at most we had 1 60 days late this would not even apply.

and the biggie -
from their own admission when they "prepared" the paperwork our June payment was already overdue. They had 60 daqys from March 15 to file paperwork, that means May 15. SO they admitted in writing to negligently servicing our loan not once but twice (by saying the first loan was insured in March 2004, not 12 - 02 as required) AND they out and out lied to us about the policies of FHA .

They closed their letter by saying - although we do not qualify for FHA relief - they may have options to help us out.
HAHA. Oh and the letter was dated December 14 and my attorney received it January 3. Lovely huh?

So now what - it seems as though this is a case where the whole contract could be deemed so flawed it can not even be enforced - they can not give me the loan I agreed to and was promised - and why would I trust them with the loan now that I know how negligently they serviced my loan - I thjink they should have to find a way to get our loan FHA insured or eat it. What do you all think?
 


Did you pay the up front Mortgage Insurance Premium and have you been paying PMI each month on the loan? If so then they are collecting money for an insurance policy that doesn't exist. I have no idea if that would mean anything to an attorney in this matter.
 

wamuwoes

Junior Member
it has been included in the payments due, though because we fell behind - it has not been paid. My question is - how the heck do they get away with this? Don't they have an obligation to service my loan properly? AND are they allowed to LIE like they did?
Thanks for replying I know it is a complex issue!
 

wamuwoes

Junior Member
Also the mortgage/deed were filed after they were already aware =according to them= that our mortgage was unisurable. Does this mean the deed/mortgage itself could be deemed defective, or am I not really understanding what a defective mortgage is?

Help please- 4 young children are depending on me to keep[ a roof over their heads! Thanks
 
You need to be speaking with an attorney that knows something about mortgages and hot to do some number crunching. Like yesterday.
 

HUD-1

Member
I think you are in a position to DEMAND the same relief provisions that would have been available to you if the loan was FHA insured. If they move to foreclose, I think their failure to get the loan insured is an excellent defense for you.
 

wamuwoes

Junior Member
Thank you for replying. The problem as I see it is that although they may be required to go through the motions of the same types of relief options thyat would be available as an FHA insured loan - there is not really a standard equation that is applied when going through those FHA options as far as I know. The reason a lender is so motivated to come to an agreement with a borrower who has FHA insured loan is because if they do not they are adding to their default rate of FHA insured loans - which they definitely do not want to do. I have been researching like crazy - and the best I can come up with is- what if the refi were rescinded because it was such a flawed transaction - would my first mortgage then still be inforce - meaning I would have my FHA as before? Or is that just not possible. I would just imagine it would be very easy for my mortgage comp to say - don't worry we will go through the loss mitigation process as if your insurance was in place - but then just deny my attempts to make arrangements.
I am really not out to scre* anyone, but they are definitely out to scre* me.I can not find any info really on loan modifications that would help us specifically, but I have found references to mortgages that were "avoided" as they were defective. What happens in this case - is the old mortgage reinstated or would we be forced to try to get a new one?
I just can not believe they are allowed to do this.
Any idea what number crunching pp was referring to that my attorney should be doing?

I know this is a bit complex for a essage board - but I do appreciate any input.

Can I try to make my mortgage company insure the loan or eat it? Is that something that would be covered under their error and omission policy?
TIA.
 

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