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Rushia

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Theresia

Been there, done that. Same thing happened with my X. His X took him every month for more support. Everytime that she was awarded more, my stepdaughter came over in the rattiest clothes that you could imagine, while she and her husband walked around in designers. Since I have divorced him I have not received one dime from him and I was only awarded 50.00 a month for 2 kids! I make no issue of it though. I'll never see it no matter how many times I take him to court. I figured that it wasn't even worth my time. Now his current girlfriend is pregnant with child #4 and he had the gall to ask for our kids hand me downs. Go figure.
 


audster

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the point I am making is, you cannot compare the lifestyle of the CP who gets 500 a month, with the lifestyle of the CP who gets 5000 a month. Kids deserve the lifestyle thier parents jobs create. Not a basic needs allotment.
Dude!!!
Your doing it again....mistaking needs and wants...needs are universal....I want a Apple g5 with 2 orange PC boards built in, 1 to run Windows xp and 1 to run linnux......but I don't need it! So I use a old p3 900 mghz. Get it.....need vs want.....I want to pay for my kids to go to Harvard....They need to go to the military and earn college money the hard way like i did...and will probably do better in school for it! I want a NEW Pacifica to drived the whole tribe around but need a car big enough, my old police cruiser 91 caprice. It doesn't matter what the level of income is....needs are static! Everything else is wants.
 

audster

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Ok...since there's no legal question on this thread anyway...I'll rant about what NEEDS to happen in the family court/CSE system.

1) Keep the state out of it! Period! I'm tired of hearing moronic politicians end run and bellyache around/about the welfare problem. The solution: If 1 parent is gainfully employed and 1 is not,,,,,GEE! who should get primary custody? Holy Cow! That would take alot of kids off the welfare rolls now wouldn't it?

2) Force judges to stay within the boundrys of the law. Thsi should be a no brainer, but if you think Judges hold to the strict guidelines in setting CS and Custody, I've got some ocean front property in the Sahara for you to look at.

3) Get rid of the blanket "best interest of the child" BS. Thgis is an excuse for the courts and CSE/public aid to do whatever they want.

4) Use the same diligence and punishments for denying visitation as they do failure to pay CS......You never hear of anyone getting thier license suspended/ going to jail for interfering with visitation do you? GEE! Don't you think emotional support is a little more important than financial?
 

haiku

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audster said:
Dude!!!
Your doing it again....mistaking needs and wants...needs are universal....I want a Apple g5 with 2 orange PC boards built in, 1 to run Windows xp and 1 to run linnux......but I don't need it! So I use a old p3 900 mghz. Get it.....need vs want.....I want to pay for my kids to go to Harvard....They need to go to the military and earn college money the hard way like i did...and will probably do better in school for it! I want a NEW Pacifica to drived the whole tribe around but need a car big enough, my old police cruiser 91 caprice. It doesn't matter what the level of income is....needs are static! Everything else is wants.

who are you calling a dude?..........

basic static needs should already be covered, by both parents in thier respective homes.

I am only going to say this once. Child support is set up so that children who no longer live in the home of the higher wage earner can have some of the benefits of having a high wage earner parent in thier OWN home.

Where the problem is is the high wage earner parent does not get to decide how that money gets spent anymore, once it becomes child support.

my husband and I live a pretty nice lifestyle, I am a SAHM/WAHM I have a nice little house, 2 cars, a boat, my kid has very nice clothes, can participate in sports, we vacation well, and often, we have savings and retirement, etc.... All while paying a 1000 a month to his other kids. I budget my lifestyles NEEDS and WANTS accordingly AFTER I have paid support.

his other kids mother rents, she is not a good money manager as far as I can see. but the kids seem to get what they need, and some of what they want they have a roof over thier heads, look well fed, wear nice things, do sports and have the latest toys..all the things a parent aspires to have for thier child. Does she live the lifestyle we would aspire to? No, but hey if she thinks she can 'live off" 1000 a month, more power to her, her and her kids "needs" will be pretty basic then, I gather. Thats her choice as the CP, Its NOT our problem. She has made some noise in the past about us living better than her, its oil off a ducks back, because she could have that life too, if she worked at it.

Yeah, he could pay her less money, but somehow I don't think my husband became a parent to provide his family with just enough to get by. I aspire for a bit more for my kids than the "welfare guidelines". Its not easy to accept that the child support may not be spent the way 'we" want it to be, but thats what happens when some of your kids don't live with you full time, to really enjoy your lifestyle and what it brings.

I am also of the opinion that it would be a heck of a lot better if people did not need to have court orders, my husband sure as heck didn't, to do what he was supposed to do. But he has a court order, so we follow it.
 

Whyte Noise

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haiku said:
I am only going to say this once. Child support is set up so that children who no longer live in the home of the higher wage earner can have some of the benefits of having a high wage earner parent in thier OWN home.

I have to disagree with this one Haiku.

My husbands ex is the higher wage earner, and she has sole physical custody of the children. They already have the benefit of the higher wage earner bring in the home with them.

What about when the children already live in the home of the higher wage earner to begin with? How does that fit into the theory I quoted above from you?

Honestly, the child support issue doesn't concern me personally. My ex and I have split custody of our 3 children. I'm the CP to one, he's the CP to 2. He doesn't pay me CS, and I don't pay him CS. We're responsible for taking care of the child(ren) in our respective homes. We're each responsible for obtaining health care for the child(ren) in our respective homes. We're each responsible 50/50 for things like uncovered medical, extracurricular activites, etc. but neither of us actually pays money to the other parent every month as or for child support.

I think the problem with CS is that the guidelines paint everyone, and every situation with the same brush. Every situation is different, and what's fair to one isn't always fair to ALL. As an example, 20% of a $3,000 a month wage earner's income has a lot less impact than 20% of a $1,200 a month wage earner's income. It's the same percentage, yes... but look at the difference. The $3,000 a month wage earner would pay $600 a month in child support and leave them with $2,400 to live on, but the $1,200 a month wage earner would pay $240 a month, and leave them only $960 a month to live on. See the big difference there? 20% may seem like a "fair" amount when you look at it on paper, but in the real world that 20% could be putting someone who doesn't make much to start with even deeper into the poverty bracket.

Go out and get a job that makes more than $1,200 a month? Sure thing... YOU find one for them that pays more. I doubt very seriously that the MAJORITY (not ALL, just the majority) of people only making $1,200 a month wouldn't just LOVE to make more than that... but the jobs just aren't out there. Some don't have the benefit of having a college eduation that would allow them to earn more. Some don't have the benefit of being in a job field where their pay goes up substantially over the years. Some don't have the benefit of finding a job that pays the same as the one where they were laid off due to budget cuts or "lack of work". It's not easy to be making $20 an hour at a job you've been at for a few years, get laid off, then go right into another job making that same $20 an hour. That doesn't happen in the real world. In the real world, you get laid off that $20 an hour job, and take another job (even if it's in the same exact line of work) and the starting wage at a different company isn't going to be what you were making before. You had seniority at the other job, you had years in with the other company... now you're starting out at the "low man on the totem pole" wage all over again.

Again, each situation is different. What may be a drop in the CS bucket to someone making a lot of money, can be the difference between going without food, or electricity, or something else to someone that make a lot less. Each case should be looked at individually, not painted with the same broad brush simply because that's what it supposedly takes to raise a child.
 
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legalbegal

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I have to agree

Child support is supposed to be for child,most of the time its for the new boyfriend,new nails to get future men,and so on.Those are high numbers I cant believe they are trying to get you to pay celebrity child support,and its getting to the point celebrities cant keep up with there payments either.This is called a decoy basically once in the system your stuck there till kid is 18,anything else is just money in our court system to hear arguments.Its either too much?Or too small whatever your issue you'll have to pay just for 1 judge to hear ya case.We have a deficite to catch up on.
 

stealth2

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Do you really think OP is still around more than 6 mos later? Try not to dredge up dead threads, k? Thanks.
 

mitzi32

Junior Member
a change in thought could help the negativity

Sorry, you feel that way about the law. I would too if I had to pay a lot of money every month. But in reality, children are very expensive to raise! I don't know how old your child is but as they get older they are more and more expensive! $50.00 in clothes...what do expect them to wear? Don't forget they have to have shoes, coats, for all certain weather conditions, etc...dress clothes, play clothes, clothes for school, etc...Also, how about school activites? What about prom when an outfit is around $100.00 or more? Your child doesn't deserve that? School lunches? I pay nearlyover $100.00 for school lunches a month...that doesn't include breakfast or supper or snacks. Does your child deserve to be fed at a resturaunt or should he/she not enjoy those pleasures?

I once talked to someone about child support. He pays $800.00 a month and he said, my children deserve the right to have a good life and want I can afford to give them! He pays child support and does not complain. On top of child support he just bought his daugther a car because he knows it is what she needs. He is continually buying things for his two daughters because he knows they need certain things and he wants them to be happy. Obviously, his thoughts are for the best of his children.

The children deserve to live as they would have when the parents were married, finanically. Obviously, the non custodial parent will have to pay for that child.

Unless you have children and pay their expenses day to day, it is hard for you to know what the expenses really are. Having four children myself, the expenses are high!!!!

I hope this will open your mind about child support. Child support is for the child, not the mom and children are spendy! If the child lived with you, the money would go to the child also instead of child support.

Also, you refer to your child as "the kid" doesn't need this or that. The cost is just talking necessities. I guess the kid is supposed to have no life after that.

Also, your ex might get married and have more children so she would need a bigger house, but that stuff is not relevant to you. You need to focus on your child and provide the best life you can for him. You wouldn't want your child to not enjoy movies, nice clothes, not being able to talk on the phone or live in a nice house.

Good luck to you...
 
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L.Lundy

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Stealth, my brain was about to explode after wading through this thread for, oh, the last HOUR? Egads. I had a billion things to say that really didn't add much new, most likely, but saw your post and kind of put on the mental brakes, lol.

And no, I don't think OP is still in that so-called relationship she was yammering about.

And I hope haiku didn't suffer any permanent damage back there... keyboard can be brutal... I was totally feeling the pain, too. Mine was more a teeth grinding thing, though...

Oh, one last thing that I didn't see brought up before... I find it a bit depressing that so many people are more concerned that their ex not benefit from the child support than that the child DOES benefit. It seems in most of these posts against CP getting much CS there's a LOT of anger about the ex getting some kind of profit off the support. I admire haiku tremendously for her mature take on the situation, and I wish more people saw it the same way. If the ex is taking care of the children well, what does it MATTER if the money in any way helps her at the same time? Isn't the children's well being supposed to the primary concern? I know there are women who do not set their children as a priority, and I know some of these women get huge amounts of child support, but BY AND LARGE, most CP's DO and WILL CONTINUE TO provide their children with the best life that available funding allows. So if you're making $100,000 a year and pay $1600 to the ex for support and she doesn't work, choosing to stay home and care for the children... consider not looking at it as a benefit to HER but as a benefit to YOUR CHILDREN. Get past the bitter, for god's sake, and be grateful your kids HAVE a parent at home to be there when they need them.

*sighs*

Sorry, stealth... gonna smack me now?
 
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