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Ivy wall dividing properties - growing from my side - neighbor cut without notice.

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Reason225

Junior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)?
California

So I have a neighbor who rents out his house - never met him before since buying 3 years ago. Rear side of property had an tall, old ivy wall. My property is about a foot or 2 higher than neighbors at that spot. Ivy is planted on my yard and the fence base the ivy grew on is right on the line (where the raised part of my property is). Ivy has been there probably 30-40 years - very thick at base and became one with the fence - and on my side in general - but pretty wide now. On my side it appeared as a thick ramp of debris on the ground and an ivy wall from there. I couldnt even see much trace of the underlying fencing at the base. Well that underlying fence and a bit of the ivy was leaning into his yard - probably for a while - but not obvious from my part of the yard. I never saw it from his side. I dont know if it leaned more recently - the majority of the wall showed no sign of any change recently - but its very thick esp the lower half of it.
Well this past Saturday - he hired his gardener to take the wall down to the underlying fence - with apparently a plan to remove it and put up a wood fence in the next couple weeks. He probably took off about 6 feet or so. Now section of wall leaning is leaning more obviously. Anyway - he didnt tell me anything about this plan. He just did it. I had never met/seen him before. I confronted gardener after it happened (when I discovered it) - he showed me the problem on the other side (which no arguing, was an issue I had no knowledge of). He came over in afternoon and I confronted him. He didnt have good reason for not telling me and just had an "it was leaning in my yard and I dealt with it."
Now - not ALL of it was leaning - but he sheared it off all the same. It was thick - so he could perhaps argue the "thickness" was over his line. We talked and I told him he should have talked to me first. I told him I wanted a say in what goes up. He was agreeable in all of our discussion - but Im still mad and worried about what else he may do without talking to me in the future - never mind that this ivy was growing from my side. I am not sure if it can be salvaged and the fencing fixed and re-grown, or if a completely new fence has to be put in (green or otherwise). I have to have a landscaping company tell me what is possible.

It WAS leaning in one section - and I was unaware of it - but still.

1. How SHOULD I have reacted to such a thing when I discovered what he did?

2. Did I have any legal grounds if it was leaning into his yard (part of it on the bottom anyway - the wall itself was upright - which tells me it must have been leaning a bit for a long time as you couldnt tell by looking at the wall in general - only if you were on his lower side looking at it (hard to explain without a picture)

3. What should I do now? My plan is to go in with him on some replacement boundary - but Im still really mad he did this without consulting w me.

Thanks for any thoughts contributed!!

Cheers.
 
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FlyingRon

Senior Member
He doesn't need your permission or to even notify you to cut back vegetation that is growing into his property. If it had been something like a tree where cutting back the encroachment killed the tree, then there might have been an issue but that's not going to be an issue with ivy.

No it's unlikely that the ivy or leaning fence means anything to property lines.

How should you have reacted? Well I would start with friendly admonishment that if he'd asked first, the two of you might have come up with a better more cost effective solution and ask that you negotiate a common fence that is acceptable to both sides.

What are you after?
 

Reason225

Junior Member
He doesn't need your permission or to even notify you to cut back vegetation that is growing into his property. If it had been something like a tree where cutting back the encroachment killed the tree, then there might have been an issue but that's not going to be an issue with ivy.

No it's unlikely that the ivy or leaning fence means anything to property lines.

How should you have reacted? Well I would start with friendly admonishment that if he'd asked first, the two of you might have come up with a better more cost effective solution and ask that you negotiate a common fence that is acceptable to both sides.

What are you after?

Well - this was an ivy wall that part of the base of was leaning into his property and his plan was to take it all out and put a wood fence in its place (I suppose cutting the ivy off at the roots on my side. This cant be legal without my permission. I am reading a book now called "neighbor law" and everything seems to say even if the plant was ON the boundary - meaning it was jointly owned - he cant just cut it all down without my permission. He cut the whole wall down about 4 or 5 feet to the underlying chain link - even though just a section of the fencing at the bottom was leaning into his yard. His plan was to take the rest out after that.
Mind you - this was a boundary wall made of ivy that he cut down - not just some ivy in his yard. - with just a very short chain link fencing base that wasnt even visible on my side the ivy was so thick over it all. Most of the wall was just the hard wood of the ivy going up about 7 feet. What I read since posting this seems to say that

In the end - I would have been perfectly fine to help with the issue when brought to my attention. I dont like that he did all this and was going to do a lot more without talking to me.

Anyway - your question - what I am after ultimately is a say in what goes up if its on the property line. I have since spoken to people and read up a bit on these matters (though I still cant find words about fencing ordinances and laws in my town or even the city of LA - which I fall under I believe). It does seem that he does have to talk to me before doing what he did and planned to finish without talking to me.

We are going to hopefully work this out now with communication now that I told him to include me and I am willing to contribute.

I appreciate your response. I felt pretty cluless at first - and have since tried to educate myself as best I can. Interesting how hard it is to find the written ordinances for these things. IVe been doing some searching.
 

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