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What is the name of your state? Colorado

My husband and I have been separated for six months. I'm a 60 year old woman and I have permanent legal custody of my 7 year old grandson. I have been trying for six months to find a job that will support me and my grandson. I've been out of the workforce for 7+ years. I am having no luck. I know I need to get a job. Even if I am awarded spousal maintenance, it won't be enough. My grandson's parents haven't paid a dime of child support and I'm not holding my breath.

My question is this: How will a judge view a request for spousal maintenance if I'm not working? My husband doesn't make enough money that 40% of his gross adjusted income less my $00.00 would come close to supporting us. I'd like to have a job to get out of the house also and quit thinking about all the ugly stuff that's happened.

What about the Displaced Homemakers Act? Does anyone know anything about this. It is supposed to provide grant money to people like me who need to get back into the job force and who lack marketable skills. :confused:
 


Just Blue

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What is the name of your state? Colorado

My husband and I have been separated for six months. I'm a 60 year old woman and I have permanent legal custody of my 7 year old grandson. I have been trying for six months to find a job that will support me and my grandson. I've been out of the workforce for 7+ years. I am having no luck. I know I need to get a job. Even if I am awarded spousal maintenance, it won't be enough. My grandson's parents haven't paid a dime of child support and I'm not holding my breath.

My question is this: How will a judge view a request for spousal maintenance if I'm not working? My husband doesn't make enough money that 40% of his gross adjusted income less my $00.00 would come close to supporting us. I'd like to have a job to get out of the house also and quit thinking about all the ugly stuff that's happened.

What about the Displaced Homemakers Act? Does anyone know anything about this. It is supposed to provide grant money to people like me who need to get back into the job force and who lack marketable skills. :confused:


I don't know anything about the DHA but you might want to try your local Community College or even the unemployment office...They have great resources.

Good luck!!

Bay
 

LdiJ

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What is the name of your state? Colorado

My husband and I have been separated for six months. I'm a 60 year old woman and I have permanent legal custody of my 7 year old grandson. I have been trying for six months to find a job that will support me and my grandson. I've been out of the workforce for 7+ years. I am having no luck. I know I need to get a job. Even if I am awarded spousal maintenance, it won't be enough. My grandson's parents haven't paid a dime of child support and I'm not holding my breath.

My question is this: How will a judge view a request for spousal maintenance if I'm not working? My husband doesn't make enough money that 40% of his gross adjusted income less my $00.00 would come close to supporting us. I'd like to have a job to get out of the house also and quit thinking about all the ugly stuff that's happened.

What about the Displaced Homemakers Act? Does anyone know anything about this. It is supposed to provide grant money to people like me who need to get back into the job force and who lack marketable skills. :confused:

Spousal Support plus a job would probably take care of you and your grandchild until you are old enough to collect social security benefits. You will be entitled to claim retirement benefits based on your husband's earnings (as long as you were married at least 10 years) rather than your own, without it effecting his retirement. Try to hold off collecting however until full retirement age, as that will give you higher benefits.
 

nextwife

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What is the name of your state? Colorado

My husband and I have been separated for six months. I'm a 60 year old woman and I have permanent legal custody of my 7 year old grandson. I have been trying for six months to find a job that will support me and my grandson. I've been out of the workforce for 7+ years. I am having no luck. I know I need to get a job. Even if I am awarded spousal maintenance, it won't be enough. My grandson's parents haven't paid a dime of child support and I'm not holding my breath.

My question is this: How will a judge view a request for spousal maintenance if I'm not working? My husband doesn't make enough money that 40% of his gross adjusted income less my $00.00 would come close to supporting us. I'd like to have a job to get out of the house also and quit thinking about all the ugly stuff that's happened.

What about the Displaced Homemakers Act? Does anyone know anything about this. It is supposed to provide grant money to people like me who need to get back into the job force and who lack marketable skills. :confused:

How long were you married to your husband?

Is this HIS grandchild?

Has he been supporting you and your grandchild because your son or daughter is NOT supporting their own child?

No marketable skills? You've been out of the workforce since you were 53 years old (I'm 52, work full time, and raise my nine year old daughter)? What about the three decades you had PRIOR to this to develope work skills and accumulate retirement funds?
 

Bali Hai

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How long were you married to your husband?

Is this HIS grandchild?

Has he been supporting you and your grandchild because your son or daughter is NOT supporting their own child?

No marketable skills? You've been out of the workforce since you were 53 years old (I'm 52, work full time, and raise my nine year old daughter)? What about the three decades you had PRIOR to this to develope work skills and accumulate retirement funds?

Her husband insisted that she be a stay at home mom and even threatened to kill her if she went to work, so she agreed.
 

LdiJ

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How long were you married to your husband?

Is this HIS grandchild?

Has he been supporting you and your grandchild because your son or daughter is NOT supporting their own child?

No marketable skills? You've been out of the workforce since you were 53 years old (I'm 52, work full time, and raise my nine year old daughter)? What about the three decades you had PRIOR to this to develope work skills and accumulate retirement funds?

Come on...this woman is 60 years old and you have no idea what kind of employment she had 7 years ago.

You really need to drop the attitude a bit with the older people who come here. Yes, you are the queen of perfection when it comes to a woman arranging her financial life....and yes, I am only a couple of years younger than you and I understand what a woman should have done.

However....bashing someone who didn't do what you or I did it pointless. They can't go back and change their lives. They can only move forward. Therefore, your bashing does not help this woman...NOT ONE BIT. All you can do with that is depress her and make her feel bad about herself.

She is 60 years old. She will face age discrimination all over the place because of medical insurance. There is almost no chance that she will get a job that offers medical insurance. The best she can hope for at age 60 is a job that combined with spousal support allows her to "make it". You know that just as well as I do.

Aim your retoric at women who are still young enough to change their lives...do the right thing and apologize to a 60 year old who has no chance of doing that.
 

nextwife

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I DIDN"T bash her. Virtually ALL of my women friends are 60 and above, And several have changed jobs in the past year or so. And all have full time jobs with full benefits. So please don't give me the "Oh, we older women are unwanted and can't expect to get a decent job" routine. I have customers and friends in this age range, both male and female, and they are all working and getting benefits. And my 60 year old friends do NOT consider themselves "older". Nor does my 60 year old husband.

My point is that her husband is not the one responsible for supporting the grandchild. Our poster never stated the length of the marriage - only her time away from the workforce, (which was less than half the time away my mom had when she jumped back in). Since we have no idea if her marriage was five years, or twenty years, we don't know if spousal support is at all appropriate.

Maybe she's been out of the workforce because he was nice enough to support her when her, not his, grandchild came to live. And now she wants to show her thanks for getting to be home with him those early years by forcing him to continue to support her even though they are no longer in a marriage.

And if some YOUNGER women reading my posts rethink their detachment from assuming financial responsibility for their future, then I may have done some good. My comments aren't necessarilly directed at the poster, but meant to make other posters avoid being in that situation years from now by realizing what they might do NOW differently.

We've known for decades now that women can no longer depend on getting old and going through retirement on their husband's pensions. Sometimes I cannot believe how very LITTLE some of these young women are doing to assure they will have their OWN assets, own retirement, own life insurance, etc to rely upon. They choose to not work, not save, not plan their families, not accrue any retirement, not accrue SS benefits, and put their heads in the sand and presume that some guy should always take care of them. Well heck, what if their guy needs THEM to take care of them? How will they do so if they go through life and don't acquire work skills?? What happens when HE can't work and it's HER turn to support him? When is it HIS turn to be the one to not work? These women get years of not working, then they want to reward the guy when they are done with him by making him CONTINUE to support them, rather than turning the tables and giving him an equal number of years "off" from working.
 
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LdiJ

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I agree with you about the younger women.

Changing jobs is vastly different than re-entering the workforce after 7 years.

Again, however, none of that helps this woman. She can't change the past.
 

BelizeBreeze

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Until this woman comes back and answers the questions posed to her there's nothing anyone can do except guess.

AND answer the questions NOT asked.

Including what did she do in the workforce BEFORE leaving and what types of jobs has she been searching for?
 
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Ok, so now that I have my grandson off to school, watched a couple soap operas, eaten a few dozen bon-bons and kicked off my high-heeled fuzzy slippers, knocked back a couple of lattes, I'm going to answer questions and make a few comments.

First of all, if you go back to January 9 and look at "Intro and Questions" you will find a lengthy chronology that details a lot of what has happened during the past six months.

Second: Baystategirl, Ldij; fairisfair; thanks for the helpful info. I appreciate the advice.However, Ldij, nextwife can't make me depressed or feel bad about myself. I did the right thing by my grandson, and I did the right thing separating from my husband, and I WILL find a good job because I WANT a good job. I want as little to do with my soon-to-be-ex as possible and if I could make it financially without any help from him right now, I'd be doing it. I've always worked. I raised three kids on my own, bought a house on my own and if I could go back and do anything over, I absolutely WOULD NOT GET MARRIED AGAIN ESPECIALLY TO MY CURRENT HUSBAND. That's the only thing I'd change.

Third: Bali Hai. In answer to your questions, this is not HIS grandchild. Re my son or daughter not supporting their own child, please re-read the original post, I already answered this question. Re: (I'm 52, work full time, raise my nine year old daughter) what has that got to do with this??? Re: What about the three decades you had PIROR to this to develop(e) [sic} work skills and accumulate retirement funds? Actually, it's been four plus decades. I started working when I was 14 parttime after school for a local newspaper typing address labels. I accumulated retirement funds at the last job I had for 16 years. I used the funds to start a business when I left. I did original-art cards that sold very well . . .Neiman Marcus was a customer. However, like a lot of new small businesses, the demand quickly outdistanced my ability to supply "original" art cards. Then the tragedy of 9/11 and subsequent economic downturn virtually destroyed the niche market for very expensive art cards. So, I did some consulting, babysitting, secret shopper work, sales counter work. The job I had for 16 years was as a Special Projects Manager and Administrative Manager. I handled large, complicated projects from the investigative, planning stages through the problem solving process to successful completion. I handled projects like modernization of high-rise, residential apartment buildings and public housing family units, installation of security systems, ADA requirements, applied for grants through extensive and complex processes, administered the funding, complied with Davis Bacon Wage and Related Acts, Section 504, etc. I have great team leader skills, communication skills and conflict resolution skills. HOWEVER, that was 7 years ago. I can still do these things (I went through two years in county district court Pro Se and successfully fought for and gained custody of my grandson who was severely abused and neglected).

During the last three years, I researched everything I could find about PTSD, depression, early onset (childhood) Bipolar Disorder, IEPs and the meds used to treat these things (that is, in between eating bon-bons and watching soap operas and thinking up ways to abuse my poor husband). I realize you and Nextwife know everything, but did you know that a child from 0-3, if abused enough, will suffer actual physiological, irreperable, brain damage from emotional abuse and neglect. Well, now you're starting to get a picture of my grandson.

So, in a nutshell, that's what I've been doing for the 7 years I've been out of the workforce. NOT staying current on project management technology or all the new technology that employers are requiring now. That's why I'm trying to find out about the Displaced Homemakers Act. I guess I should have said "has no current, up-to-date, marketable skills".


Next: Silverplum. "Im gonna make you some pudding!" Now, there's a job skill you can be really proud of. You and Bali Hai can save your supercilious remarks for people like you who have time to waste.

and last but not least: Nextwife --

WOW You are SO special, I wish I was as great as you are. Hey, what do you and virtually all of your women friends who have changed jobs in the last year or so do . . . wait tables, janitorial work, wash hair??? Actually, I shouldn't insult the many fine people who do these jobs, who are polite, sensitive, and more in touch with the real world. And just because you are SO special, I'll answer your questions rather than refer you to info I've already posted: We've been married 11 years, spousal support is appropriate.

My husband raised his hand and said "I'll do it" when social services came to us with our grandson whom they were removing from his biological parents. He was SO Proud, and everyone was patting him on the back for being so upstanding. Well, after my grandson revealed to his therapist that my husband had him watch porn with him, in their underwear, I started to understand why my husband was so eager to "support" this chld. I know you know virtually everything, but do you know anything about "Grooming"? No, honey, not hair. As it relates to pedephilia?

And, by the way, my soon-to-be-ex is NOT NICE. He is a disparaging, inattentive, narcissistic, chauvenistic, bumptious, miserly, slanderous pig whose idea of supporting me was to "give" me as little as possible and make me account for every penny I ever earned and spent. I had to save receipts for months and months because he would come back time after time to make me account for some odd sum of money I'd spent wildly and foolishly on green beans that were on sale. "Getting to be home" . . . what have you been talking to him, that's HIS line. . . oh, yeah and "I let you stay home". During those 7 years, I not only started my own business and did all of my "wifely duties" as he put it, I painted the entire interior and exterior of the house (3200 sq ft), put rock on the exterior walls, and took care of his 83 year old mother who has the same disposition as he does so that "we" hahahahah "we" could get $1000 extra a month for her care. I NEVER saw a dime of that money.

But, you know what, I went to marital counselling until I was blue in the face trying to deal with all of this and "stand by my man" GAG!. Well, the porn thing with my grandson was the last straw.

So, back to my original questions: Does anyone know how a judge will react to my request for spousal maintenance in light of the fact that I currently don't have a job? And, does anyone know anything else that would help me go back to school for a few classes to brush up on my skills?

PS We've known for decades that women can no longer depend on getting old blah blah blah. Actually, women have known for thousands and thousands of years that they can't depend on men to support them. When is it his turn to be the one to not work?[/I] He's a workaholic.. . makes him feel important. These women get years of not working, then they reward the guy when they are done with him by making him CONTINUE to support them, rather than giving him an equal number of years "off" from working. Yeah, I "cast him off like an old glove". You are a real hoot. I know plenty of couples where the wife is working and the husband is "doing his thing" going to school, building a business. I've read your posts before. You seem to get off on being dissentaneous and baleful. I'm familiar with your type . . . sarcastic, venomous. You offer very little help or useful advice.

My advice to you, maybe get a little help working on your self-esteem issues so you don't have to put other people down in order to make yourself feel good.
 
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BelizeBreeze

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aside from this diatribe, NO ONE can know how a judge will rule. You are expecting an answer to a question that would require sitting on the bench.

Second, you have the ability to work. Even if it's at Wally World greeting customers. The fact that you are looking in areas you are not today qualified for will show the court that you have not done what is necessary to further your needs and goals.

So, the ONLY thing people can rightfully advise you on is to make a good-faith effort to find employment. Anything else is a guess.
 
looking hard but no luck yet

Why . . . you know???? You are just so absolutely right. I should quit wasting my time with people like you and try some of your wonderful suggestions. You have been just such a delight!
 
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