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lauras2u3

Junior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Illinois

My mother was sick for quite a while and she owned a co op, she has been living here for 40 years. I moved back in with her in the last 6 months or so of her illness, she died at home.

Anyways, i informed the coop management right off that she had died and i told them that it would take several months to clear the place out (longer than i imagined really) but they were not helpful at all about what to do about the co op.

The next rent is due and i gave them a check which they mailed back to me weeks later stating this was due to illegal occupancy. I go and ask what they want and they said i had to apply and give them money to have me investigated and i needed to give them a copy of the small estate affidavit and a death certificate. I was really uneasy at them not particularly understanding the situation.

Not thinking the death certificate and proof that i own the place could do any harm, i gave them these documents and asked for a copy of the bilaws...forgive the length but this is what it said:
___________part of bi laws______________________


transfer of membership.

Except as provided herein, membership shall not be transferable and, in any event, no membership shall be made upon the books of the Corporation withing the ten days next preceding the annual meeting of the members. In all transfers of membership, the corporation shall be entitled to a fee it deems appropriate to compensate it for the processing of transfer.

death of member

If, upon the death of a member, his immediate family, such distributee or distributees may, by assuming in writing the terms of the Occupancy agreement within 60 days after such member's death, paying all the amounts of due thereunder, become a member or members of the corporation. If a member dies and the terms of the occupancy agreement are not assumed in accordance with the foregoing, then the manner provided in section () of this article, written notice of death being the equivalent to notice of intention to withdraw from the membership in the corporation....(goes on about how they would sell the unit)
_____________________________________________________________

oh damn i just gave written notification, the death certificate, and i still need to clean out the unit, which is still my home, and to paint and put it up for sale....i go back and drop off a written notice stating i will assume membership as stated under the provision on death of a member and they should send all paperwork and a bill for whatever is owed.

Now i know they want me to apply and give them all the powers of yay or nay and i can understand that but my husband is working on getting a 4 year old arrest for domestic violence expunged. It was his only arrest and the matter was dropped but none the less i know from tales from neighbors they would turn down an application with such an arrest. It takes five months to finish expunging this. I told them i intended to clean out and sell i see no reason to go through that embarrassment.

They sent me a notice of termination of right of occupancy rather than a copy of the Occupancy Agreement. The manager said she was consulting the lawyer, surely the bi laws of a corporation trump the managers desires.

How do i get the courts to stop her actions, I really only need a few months to get this place sorted out but i really need those months.
 


nextwife

Senior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Illinois

My mother was sick for quite a while and she owned a co op, she has been living here for 40 years. I moved back in with her in the last 6 months or so of her illness, she died at home.

Anyways, i informed the coop management right off that she had died and i told them that it would take several months to clear the place out (longer than i imagined really) but they were not helpful at all about what to do about the co op.

The next rent is due and i gave them a check which they mailed back to me weeks later stating this was due to illegal occupancy. I go and ask what they want and they said i had to apply and give them money to have me investigated and i needed to give them a copy of the small estate affidavit and a death certificate. I was really uneasy at them not particularly understanding the situation.

Not thinking the death certificate and proof that i own the place could do any harm, i gave them these documents and asked for a copy of the bilaws...forgive the length but this is what it said:
___________part of bi laws______________________


transfer of membership.

Except as provided herein, membership shall not be transferable and, in any event, no membership shall be made upon the books of the Corporation withing the ten days next preceding the annual meeting of the members. In all transfers of membership, the corporation shall be entitled to a fee it deems appropriate to compensate it for the processing of transfer.

death of member

If, upon the death of a member, his immediate family, such distributee or distributees may, by assuming in writing the terms of the Occupancy agreement within 60 days after such member's death, paying all the amounts of due thereunder, become a member or members of the corporation. If a member dies and the terms of the occupancy agreement are not assumed in accordance with the foregoing, then the manner provided in section () of this article, written notice of death being the equivalent to notice of intention to withdraw from the membership in the corporation....(goes on about how they would sell the unit)
_____________________________________________________________

oh damn i just gave written notification, the death certificate, and i still need to clean out the unit, which is still my home, and to paint and put it up for sale....i go back and drop off a written notice stating i will assume membership as stated under the provision on death of a member and they should send all paperwork and a bill for whatever is owed.

Now i know they want me to apply and give them all the powers of yay or nay and i can understand that but my husband is working on getting a 4 year old arrest for domestic violence expunged. It was his only arrest and the matter was dropped but none the less i know from tales from neighbors they would turn down an application with such an arrest. It takes five months to finish expunging this. I told them i intended to clean out and sell i see no reason to go through that embarrassment.

They sent me a notice of termination of right of occupancy rather than a copy of the Occupancy Agreement. The manager said she was consulting the lawyer, surely the bi laws of a corporation trump the managers desires.

How do i get the courts to stop her actions, I really only need a few months to get this place sorted out but i really need those months.



How was ownership held held at the time of her death? A death certificate does NOT automatically make you the owner.

Did you file probate? Pay the estate creditors? Are there other potential heirs?

Why so many months to deal with the unit contents? I dealt with three decades of stuff in my mom's condo with in 30 days, moved most off premises and dealt with it later.
 

justalayman

Senior Member
They sent me a notice of termination of right of occupancy rather than a copy of the Occupancy Agreement. The manager said she was consulting the lawyer, surely the bi laws of a corporation trump the managers desires.

How do i get the courts to stop her actions, I really only need a few months to get this place sorted out but i really need those months.
the problem doesn't appear to be the probate issues and cleaning and marketing the place. The problem appears to be you living there without proper approval. Since you are apparently intending on moving anyway, go ahead and find someplace to live and continue on with taking care of the estate situation.
 

festival

Member
If you have not already done so, you should contact the board of directors, which hires the management. Tell the board the same things that you stated here about moving and selling, and that you need more time. Let them know that you are still grieving and ask them to please not throw you out. Get some neighbors to stick up for you. The Board is supposed to uphold the bylaws, but it may buy you some time since they are less likely to start legal proceedings when you are about to leave. Show them your plans and progress, and explain that you are fixing up the unit which is good for property values.

Also inform the board that the only reason you are not assuming the occupancy agreement is that the management has not sent it to you. The management should send you the agreement and the board should give you extra time since it was never sent to you. Whatever you put in writing to the management, send a copy to the board, who are the real directors of the coop.
 

lauras2u3

Junior Member
proof of ownership

What is your "proof" that you are the owner?
I have three sisters, none of whom wanted to pay the monthly charges until the unit sold, the office tells me it can take up to a few years at times. I just received from my sister the proof that the unit belongs to me, she was taking care of all the estate things, until then, i was not particularly sure it really was all mine. I cannot afford two years of charges unless i live in the place, as i have been for months already. It takes money to fix the kitchen floor and to install new window coverings etc. There is no creditors on the co op or for the estate such as it is. My mother went slowly poor and for years, in the end, i paid for her prescriptions as well as living there.

The reason it is taking me so long to move is she has lived here 40 years, skip this part if uninterested in the response, my mother has a huge science fiction collection which i am having a horrible time finding a place for, although worth thousands i might just decide to donate it some place but i would prefer the thousands as i could use this money, as could most, right now it occupies one entire bedroom as well as the walk in closet in the master, which i havent even been inside. Grieving actually has quite a bit to do with not having them gone so far, she loved those books and i really would much rather hand them over to someone who appreciates the value in them than a charity which tosses books in mint condition on the 10 cent table after writing the price on the cover. In other areas of the house, after the first major clearing out of general garbage, i am looking at the left overs of things like my great grandmothers personal cook book, the letters written to my grandmother about how my grandfather died...linens frm my great aunt...just generally personal stuff. then we have the problem that i have two households of furniture and toasters. I wish i had the option of just moving the stuff to my other house but the fact is, this is where i have lived and will live until it is sold. I do not have particularly good memories in this place so i will be glad to take the proceeds from the sale and move on.

I will be attending the next board meeting, seems the best option to me.
 

justalayman

Senior Member
I just received from my sister the proof that the unit belongs to me, she was taking care of all the estate things, until then, i was not particularly sure it really was all mine.

so your sister's basically gave their inheritance to you?
 

lauras2u3

Junior Member
so your sister's basically gave their inheritance to you?

yes, i was the one who drove her all over for the year she had cancer and moved in with her when need be, i was the only one willing to clean it out and most importantly....i was the only one willing to pay carrying charges for the time it takes to sell the unit. We all assumed i would live in here at least a year, no one requires that of me to have it though.

I do not have signed notarized papers from then showing that they gave up all rights to the unit, no one asked me for such a thing but just now i have promises from all three sisters to send such papers on Monday.

Cancer took the inheritance, not me.
 

justalayman

Senior Member
so, has probate been finalized or not then? If so, the title would be placed in your name based on sisters giving up their shares to you. If probate has not been finalized and a deed written to you, you do not own the unit...yet. That is likely going to make a difference in how the HOA deals with this.
 

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