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sharingthoughts

Junior Member
What is the name of your state? OH - case being transferred to NY.

Hello all. My boyfriend (of 3 years) and I have been dealing with his ex and over the last 2 years the case has been tied up in Court over jurisdiction. Here's the scoop:

Child is 7 now. Almost 4 years ago, Mom and Dad went to Court and received an order of visitation and child support (mom custody, dad visitation). The child was born in OH, Dad live in OH, and Mom lived in Ohio until 2 months before the custody/visitation order was signed. The Court screwed up and ordered visitation as if Mom lived in OH, providing for 2 days a week, every other weekend, and "no less than 7 days" of visitation in the summer. Dad to pay all transportation costs, and monthly child support. One year after the order, (because mom moved to CA, then back to OH, then to NY, he wasn't sure where she would settle), Dad filed a Motion to Modify in OH (where the order originated). Asking for extended visitation, more regular visitation, access to all of his records, etc. This was after Dad was supposed to have summer visitation for 2 weeks in the Summer (upon agreement) and cops showed up at our doorstep at 2AM saying that the order read "no less than 7 days" and that mom could legally come and pick him up. Dad's Motion had a proposed Parenting Plan, nothing outrageous. Mom has spent the last 2 years fighting that Motion. Saying anything from: 1) he is an abuser, to 2) their child is retarded (he has Asperger's, he is not retarded by any stretch of the imagination) 3) she has no money, 4) there is no basis for the modification, 4) Dad is an "abuser" and is harassing her and stalking her (since he now knows about what she has done on the web through an investigator). Dad simply wants more access and time with his child, and she keeps redirecting everything away from that goal.

Mom recently went on a tirade about how horrible Dad is and that she can't wait until the case is in NY because they cater to her there.

During the litigation in OH, Mom filed a "Motion to Show Cause" in NY for him not paying her transportation expenses to and from OH once (to come and get him in the middle of the night). The Motion included an invoice for every time (with mileage) she drove with the child. She met us 45 minutes from her house once for the exchange, and that was on there. Also - her car broke down and she wanted him to pay for the tow, too. The NY Court threw it out. 1) it falls under the category of "child support", which stays in OH and 2) she was at fault and lied to the Court about some other things in the document. NY said that the old order was the basis for a modification, since they actually live in 2 different states. So, it was good for us.

Correct me if I am wrong, but if someone lives in one state - and moves with the child to another, don't they normally incur the costs of transportation? Because of the way the order was written, he is paying all. The child flies now because he is old enough, and in addition to the flight costs, she wants him to pay her gas/mileage expense to and from the airport, complete with tolls.

ANYWAY, Mom is less than desirable. She ran a fetish website for a long time, tried to sell herself (literally) on a website. Has been involved with drugs (selling, etc., per the detective in her hometown), 2 of her siblings have died in the last 3 years (1 shot by police the other died mysteriously, both have been somewhat linked to drugs). And over the course of the 2 year litigation, most of this has been uncovered by online investigators. We have provided this to the court in OH, which is on its way to NY as another change in circumstance to modify the custody arrangement. She is threatening defamation charges because she cannot "do that work anymore", he "ruined her career" and that he is "using it as blackmail". To me, doing things like that goes to character and surroundings that their child has to live in.

I think Dad has a real shot at custody, but in any case just wants to see his son more. Any thoughts on how any of you think this would go in NY? If a Law Guardian is assigned to the child, Dad wants them to view EVERYTHING about the case to make a decision.

Thank you for reading, I know this post is long.
 


Ohiogal

Queen Bee
Where does dad live? Why did dad allow the order to go through as if she still lived in Ohio even though she had moved? Why is dad considering allowing the case to be transferred to NY? Why didn't he appeal the transportation expenses or get it included in as part of his child support (in other words a credit)? Who has the every other weekend visitation?
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
Just a few comments....

Your boyfriend was present when those original orders where made, and he knew that mom lived out of state with the child. The time to challenge that would have been then.

Of course he can ask for a modification now, but it unlikely at this point that a judge will order mom to pay for all of the transportation. However, its possible that the judge will order her to pay 1/2.

Technically though, since dad was ordered to pay for all of the transportation, he does owe mom for costs specifically to transport the child.

What happened with mom's siblings is irrelevant. As far as mom's "issues" are concerned, your boyfriend has to be able to 1) prove his allegations and 2) prove that the things that he is alledging negatively impacted the child.
 

sharingthoughts

Junior Member
Dad lives in OH. Dad had very bad legal advice and an attorney who was later indicted. When he realized he could do anything, it was too late. He did file a Motion to Modify Child Support including these issues, but it has not been heard yet. Filed in 2004, the Court wanted to clarify who had jurisdiction first and the support motion was put on "hold" although it is bifurcated by law from the parenting issues. (child support will stay in OH, as long as Dad does) Dad has had 3 hearings with the Child Support office and they have sent the request for a hearing to the Court, again.

Parenting issues are being transferred to NY because of the UCCJEA and that the child has lived there for more than 6 months. No one has every other weekend visitation (Dad) because he lives 500 miles away. The NY court ruled that Mom was presumably precluding Dad from having visitation because of this. Their Court OH order is terrible - doesn't include dates, is very vague - you should see this thing! That is also why Dad is asking for a set schedule, among other things. It is good that it is in NY. Dad will get a Law Guardian and it looks that by law at least they have to hear the entire case within 90 days. Which will be MUCH quicker than what OH has done.
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
Dad lives in OH. Dad had very bad legal advice and an attorney who was later indicted. When he realized he could do anything, it was too late. He did file a Motion to Modify Child Support including these issues, but it has not been heard yet. Filed in 2004, the Court wanted to clarify who had jurisdiction first and the support motion was put on "hold" although it is bifurcated by law from the parenting issues. (child support will stay in OH, as long as Dad does) Dad has had 3 hearings with the Child Support office and they have sent the request for a hearing to the Court, again.

Parenting issues are being transferred to NY because of the UCCJEA and that the child has lived there for more than 6 months. No one has every other weekend visitation (Dad) because he lives 500 miles away. The NY court ruled that Mom was presumably precluding Dad from having visitation because of this. Their Court OH order is terrible - doesn't include dates, is very vague - you should see this thing! That is also why Dad is asking for a set schedule, among other things. It is good that it is in NY. Dad will get a Law Guardian and it looks that by law at least they have to hear the entire case within 90 days. Which will be MUCH quicker than what OH has done.

What law are you referring to that requires it to be bifurcated? Quite frankly parenting issues should still be in Ohio because dad still lives here. Doesn't matter that the child has lived in NY for six months if dad still lives in the state of original jurisdiction.
Dad had to have consented to that. Which was stupid on his point. In Ohio he would have also gotten a GAL for the child. And his attorney was indicted? On what CRIMINAL charges? Because criminal charges do not necessarily mean he was a bad attorney. And did dad settle or was this ordered?
 

sharingthoughts

Junior Member
What happened with mom's siblings is irrelevant. As far as mom's "issues" are concerned, your boyfriend has to be able to 1) prove his allegations and 2) prove that the things that he is alledging negatively impacted the child.

I forgot to mention that they (her siblings) both lived with Mom and child. Therefore, drugs around child = bad.

Dad can prove his allegations. I'm sure that the negative impact on the child would be harder, as we are not sure 100% what is going on over there. Short of police officer's reports and personal accounts. However, one site was a smoking site (among other fetishes that I would not like to share right now) and the child is asthmatic. And I know that smoking is another issue in itself, with recent decisions and case law.
 

JacobJoel

Member
dad lives in OHIO!

Please go back and review/answer all the questions that OHIOGAL has asked you.

there is probably a reason for the name OHIO GAL.

Dad was pretty ignorant (i.e., unknowing) when all this went down and it appears that he has only marginal knowledge about the procedures even now.

OHIOGAL, on the other hand, is VERY knowlegeable in OHIO law.
 

sharingthoughts

Junior Member
What law are you referring to that requires it to be bifurcated? Quite frankly parenting issues should still be in Ohio because dad still lives here. Doesn't matter that the child has lived in NY for six months if dad still lives in the state of original jurisdiction.
Dad had to have consented to that. Which was stupid on his point. In Ohio he would have also gotten a GAL for the child. And his attorney was indicted? On what CRIMINAL charges? Because criminal charges do not necessarily mean he was a bad attorney. And did dad settle or was this ordered?

I am looking up the law that requires it to be bifurcated. Might be County specific.

Dad decided that the parenting issues should be in NY because of everything in the UCCJEA, such as the child has lived there, all school records, medical records, etc., are there. A GAL there would be able to give more in site and get more in site on the child's life. There were pros and cons of having it here vs. there. If the GAL was in Ohio, the GAL would have to visit NY to see the child's surroundings, and visit Mom, etc. He weighed the options, and I do not think it was a stupid decision.

Dad's attorney was not great. I knew him as well and his reputation in the legal community. He was indicted on Criminal charges, and I know that doesn't automatically make him a bad attorney (I know another attorney who was excellent, and also was indicted on criminal charges).....but in this case, he wasn't a good attorney - and also was indicted on criminal charges.

Dad did settle for the original order. He knows now that he shouldn't have, but went on the advice of his counsel. Just trying to "fix" a bad situation, and have uncovered a lot of other things in the process.
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
I am looking up the law that requires it to be bifurcated. Might be County specific.

Dad decided that the parenting issues should be in NY because of everything in the UCCJEA, such as the child has lived there, all school records, medical records, etc., are there. A GAL there would be able to give more in site and get more in site on the child's life. There were pros and cons of having it here vs. there. If the GAL was in Ohio, the GAL would have to visit NY to see the child's surroundings, and visit Mom, etc. He weighed the options, and I do not think it was a stupid decision.

Dad's attorney was not great. I knew him as well and his reputation in the legal community. He was indicted on Criminal charges, and I know that doesn't automatically make him a bad attorney (I know another attorney who was excellent, and also was indicted on criminal charges).....but in this case, he wasn't a good attorney - and also was indicted on criminal charges.

Dad did settle for the original order. He knows now that he shouldn't have, but went on the advice of his counsel. Just trying to "fix" a bad situation, and have uncovered a lot of other things in the process.


Quite frankly dad was an idiot all around. He should have had jurisdiction remain in OHIO. A GAL in Ohio would have required to see the child in Ohio -- that is true. However they would have had access to all the records and been able to talk to everyone. He had that right due to the very law that you said is the reason why dad stated jurisdiction should change. Second, he settled. He cannot "fix" the situation. Third the caselaw you refer to regarding smoking -- well that was an Ohio county (Columbiana to be specific) that the news reported changed custody based on that issue. Unless you are in Columbiana it has no weight. If you are in Columbiana it doesn't matter because dad agreed to jurisdiction being in NY -- and even if you are in Columbiana AND jurisdiction was in Ohio AND dad got the same magistrate that ruled on this so-called smoking case -- well guess, what? the case did NOT revolve around smoking. That was just the part that hit the news. I know. I read the caselaw and talked to the magistrate. So again it is irrelevant.
The law IS NOT county specific. Family law is on the STATE level. There may be a local rule that ALLOWS it to be bifurcated but there is not law that requires it. Dad just made this case that much harder on himself. He has to travel to NY every time there is a hearing rather than going to the local courthouse. He may be forced in to hiring an attorney because he will have a very difficult if not impossible time handling this pro se. NOw lets cover the other things shall we:
One year after the order, (because mom moved to CA, then back to OH, then to NY, he wasn't sure where she would settle), Dad filed a Motion to Modify in OH (where the order originated). Asking for extended visitation, more regular visitation, access to all of his records, etc. This was after Dad was supposed to have summer visitation for 2 weeks in the Summer (upon agreement) and cops showed up at our doorstep at 2AM saying that the order read "no less than 7 days" and that mom could legally come and pick him up.

What does the order say?

Dad's Motion had a proposed Parenting Plan, nothing outrageous.

A year afterwards huh? Not going to be easy to modify.
Mom has spent the last 2 years fighting that Motion. Saying anything from: 1) he is an abuser, to 2) their child is retarded (he has Asperger's, he is not retarded by any stretch of the imagination) 3) she has no money, 4) there is no basis for the modification, 4) Dad is an "abuser" and is harassing her and stalking her (since he now knows about what she has done on the web through an investigator).

Hiring a PI could be considered stalking. There is no basis for a modification.


Mom recently went on a tirade about how horrible Dad is and that she can't wait until the case is in NY because they cater to her there.


And yet dad consented to the change in jurisdiction. HE WAS NOT SMART. Oh and child support in NY goes to the age of 21 not 18. So by consenting to the change he may end up paying child support for an extra 3 years. And NY is NOT a shared income state as Ohio is and it will be based on a percentage of dad's income alone. A straight percentage. But that is okay. Because it was a smart move, right? Oh and just because CS is in Ohio now it can be possible for mom to have that changed to NY as well in the future.


During the litigation in OH, Mom filed a "Motion to Show Cause" in NY for him not paying her transportation expenses to and from OH once (to come and get him in the middle of the night). The Motion included an invoice for every time (with mileage) she drove with the child. She met us 45 minutes from her house once for the exchange, and that was on there. Also - her car broke down and she wanted him to pay for the tow, too. The NY Court threw it out. 1) it falls under the category of "child support", which stays in OH and 2) she was at fault and lied to the Court about some other things in the document. NY said that the old order was the basis for a modification, since they actually live in 2 different states. So, it was good for us.

But dad is ordered to pay transportation per the court order right?

Correct me if I am wrong, but if someone lives in one state - and moves with the child to another, don't they normally incur the costs of transportation? Because of the way the order was written, he is paying all. The child flies now because he is old enough, and in addition to the flight costs, she wants him to pay her gas/mileage expense to and from the airport, complete with tolls.

And he was the idiot that AGREED to the order.

ANYWAY, Mom is less than desirable. She ran a fetish website for a long time,

That is legal.

tried to sell herself (literally) on a website.

How? As a dominatrix?

Has been involved with drugs (selling, etc., per the detective in her hometown),

And she was convicted and sentenced? When?

2 of her siblings have died in the last 3 years (1 shot by police the other died mysteriously, both have been somewhat linked to drugs).

Doesn't matter.

And over the course of the 2 year litigation, most of this has been uncovered by online investigators. We have provided this to the court in OH, which is on its way to NY as another change in circumstance to modify the custody arrangement. She is threatening defamation charges because she cannot "do that work anymore", he "ruined her career" and that he is "using it as blackmail". To me, doing things like that goes to character and surroundings that their child has to live in.

To you -- well guess what? YOUR OPINION DOES NOT MATTER. YOu are NOTHING. LEGAL STRANGER. Repeat those words. Know them well.
 

stealth2

Under the Radar Member
And NY is NOT a shared income state as Ohio is and it will be based on a percentage of dad's income alone.

Much as I hate to contradict you, OG, I must. NY IS a shared income state, and CS is based on both parents' incomes. I'm looking at my original order as I type.

Sorry.
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
Much as I hate to contradict you, OG, I must. NY IS a shared income state, and CS is based on both parents' incomes. I'm looking at my original order as I type.

Sorry.

NO need to apologize if I am wrong> I WILL APOLOGIZE. I honestly thought that NY was a percentage of income state. Therefore I retract what i said about that. however in NY child support does go until the age of 21, correct? In Ohio it only goes until the age of 18 unless the child is still in high school and then high school graduation or the age of 19 -- whichever comes first. I do apologize for being wrong. As HM says,
"Everybody makes mistakes... Everybody has those days... 1 2 3 4!
Everybody makes mistakes... Everybody has those days... Everybody knows what what I'm talkin' 'bout... Everybody gets that way..." ;)
 

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