Public Guardianship Abuse

[cybersue]

What is the name of your state? MO
I'd like to make contact with, and share information with, people who have been (or know of) victims of public and/or court-appointed guardians.

Such a victim would be an elderly person who has had a guardianship forced on him/her when, in fact, the elderly person did not need any guardian other than a ready and willing, and qualified family member. There is usually a profit motive involved, or some assets the public guardian wants. The family is demonized and dragged through legal and other types of mud to keep them from stopping the public guardian from taking their loved one as a "profit item." Journalists in Michigan and Florida and in other states have exposed this kind of white-collar crime in their own communities, but much work and much more exposure remains to be done.

There's a lot of really amazingly blatant and cruel abuse and exploitation of the elderly by publically elected or appointed officials in the United States. This is due, in part, to the insular nature of probate systems and the lack of oversight of their activities. In a good number of cases, the abuses also extend to the family members of those elderly victims. There are violations of codes of ethics and of civil rights, of civil and federal laws, and much of this happens under the cover of law. The racket involved in obtaining elderly individuals as profit items may include doctors, social service workers, public administrators, and nursing home administrators.

My family was dragged through this nightmare by public officials and their cohorts. Their abuses increased after I called attention to them. My father died as a result of this abuse. I owe it to him to continue to fight for justice for those who have experienced this kind of tragedy. I welcome any conversation or sharing of information on the topic.

 

[stopelderabuse]

Lots of Victims of Guardians, Judges and Lawyers

http://www.JusticeForFloridaSeniors.org

Has news and information about the horrors of guardianships around the country.

www.RetirementNightmare.com

And there's more but I'm busy with dinner.


Guardianship Abuse
Guardianship Fraud
Florida Guardianship

 

[seniorjudge]

Was the family behind this guardianship?

Did this happen in Missouri?

If it happened in Missouri, go to the Lieutenant Governor's website and call the elderly advocate.

Before you do this, however, please have all your ducks in a row with lots of facts, names, dates, and places. The elderly advocate cannot do anything about the worldwide abuse of elderly people...the EA can help you (possibly) with YOUR case. Please leave out the preaching.

 

[cybersue]

Victims of Guardians, Judges, Lawyers AND Politicians

Thank you seniorjudge for your insights, and I'm glad the Florida people are posting in this thread. We were dead set against the guardianship because it was clear that the motives for it were not just misguided but twisted and were not about our loved-one's well-being. But we were relatively cash poor, and they knew it. We had bad legal representation and they knew it, and they used every trick and deceit in the book to get their way.

Yes, it was Missouri, and unfortunately for us and all others in that state, the governor's people were part of the scam. So, no help there. They all protect each other, especially when they are exposed for what they are doing. The elder advocate's highest priority was--and will continue to be until there is intervention--to protect the perpetrators in this case in particular, and probably in others like it. There is little help for us in Missouri. We need outside intervention. There is no accountability in Missouri. Only collusion among those in a position to benefit from a corrupt probate system and an insular and self-protective legal network. We and others in Missouri need accountability forced upon this situation from prominent people in a position to speak out about such crimes against our country's most vulnerable people, and those who love them.

 

[cybersue]

Predatory (and tragic) guardianships

Bjeand,

I'm so very sorry this has happened to your mother and to you. Your case is disturbingly similar to our family's tragedy with our father dying while under the power and control of a public guardian and her extensive network of collaborating cohorts. I wish I had an answer to your question. We are still pursuing avenues of justice--avenues that don't require money because these thugs decimated our financial lives. I'm still not sure these people are formally accountable to anyone in particular so we need to persist and persevere toward exposing their corruption and wrongdoing. We need to reach out constantly to others who experienced the cruelty we experienced so that we can create a national scandal, because I think there are many more similar stories to ours out there. Then maybe someone can come forward to suggest a way of handling these problems on a federal level.

I do hope someone on this forum has an idea of how to pursue this kind of accountability and that those who are reading our posts will come up with ideas about how families like ours can achieve justice for our loved ones who were taken from us so cruelly, and destroyed. Keep in touch. -- CyberSue

 

[BlondiePB]

Surely someone can give us advice as to where to begin.

What part of "HIRE AN ATTORNEY" don't you understand?

Does anyone know how to go about having the guardianship moved somewhere other than where it occurred?

You can't when the ward is DECEASED!!

Take your "pity party" elsewhere!!

 

[cybersue]

Callous hatred?

BlondiePB, what part of "Compassion" and "justice" do you not understand? What part of "hire three laywers all of whom shaft you" do you not understand? What part of "thorough and complete corruption" and "racketeering" do you not understand? We have lost our loved ones to a kind of violence that is not often talked about. We suffer as do the survivors of murders by guns, knives, strangling. We are not asking for a pity party. We are asking for solidarity with justice-loving people: people with not only the capacity to be outraged, but with the capacity to think through this problem with us and suggest avenues for justice in the judicial or legal system beyond what is normally sought through probate laywers.

I am very concerned that your defensiveness may mask some sort of inside knowledge of the truth we're reporting here. No laywer we have met or consulted, and we have tried many, has been able or willing to come up against the corruption that destroyed my father and ravaged his family, and yet there may be legal remedies at levels higher than the levels at which we have sought help. It also takes money to buy justice in this country. It's no simple matter. Those of us who have been victims of predatory guardianship are seeking unusual remedies, but we know they must be out there somewhere. This is why we are reaching out to those who have fought, and perhaps even won, against such corruption.

BDonias, there WAS a posthumous reversal of a guardianship in this country. It was several years ago. The person who needed the help the most was dead, but people forget how devastating this kind of corruption can be on the families of victims of predatory guardianships. This family was able to achieve justice for themselves and their loved-one's estate and was able to clear their family's name of all kinds of damaging slander. They went to a higher court to prove that the guardianship was mistaken and not warranted, but I am concerned that not all judicial systems are clean and justice-oriented enough to allow such a reversal to happen. But please don't give up the fight and don't stop telling your story just because we encounter heartlessness and cruel words.

NO PITY PARTY HERE. JUST OUTRAGE AND DETERMINATION TO BUILD SOLIDARITY AND A BODY OF KNOWLEDGE AND SUPPORT THAT WILL BRING THE PERPETRATORS OF THESE CRIMES TO JUSTICE!

 

[BDonias]

BlondiePB, what part of "Compassion" and "justice" do you not understand? What part of "hire three laywers all of whom shaft you" do you not understand? What part of "thorough and complete corruption" and "racketeering" do you not understand? We have lost our loved ones to a kind of violence that is not often talked about. We suffer as do the survivors of murders by guns, knives, strangling. We are not asking for a pity party. We are asking for solidarity with justice-loving people: people with not only the capacity to be outraged, but with the capacity to think through this problem with us and suggest avenues for justice in the judicial or legal system beyond what is normally sought through probate laywers.

I am very concerned that your defensiveness may mask some sort of inside knowledge of the truth we're reporting here. No laywer we have met or consulted, and we have tried many, has been able or willing to come up against the corruption that destroyed my father and ravaged his family, and yet there may be legal remedies at levels higher than the levels at which we have sought help. It also takes money to buy justice in this country. It's no simple matter. Those of us who have been victims of predatory guardianship are seeking unusual remedies, but we know they must be out there somewhere. This is why we are reaching out to those who have fought, and perhaps even won, against such corruption.

BDonias, there WAS a posthumous reversal of a guardianship in this country. It was several years ago. The person who needed the help the most was dead, but people forget how devastating this kind of corruption can be on the families of victims of predatory guardianships. This family was able to achieve justice for themselves and their loved-one's estate and was able to clear their family's name of all kinds of damaging slander. They went to a higher court to prove that the guardianship was mistaken and not warranted, but I am concerned that not all judicial systems are clean and justice-oriented enough to allow such a reversal to happen. But please don't give up the fight and don't stop telling your story just because we encounter heartlessness and cruel words.

NO PITY PARTY HERE. JUST OUTRAGE AND DETERMINATION TO BUILD SOLIDARITY AND A BODY OF KNOWLEDGE AND SUPPORT THAT WILL BRING THE PERPETRATORS OF THESE CRIMES TO JUSTICE!

Cybersue you said that better than I ever could. Thank You. I will continue the fight. I loved ones deserve nothing less. I believe this is called Euthasiam against ones wishes. Another word MURDER. Sorry I wasn't yelling at you Cybersue. Keep in touch.

 

[BlondiePB]

BlondiePB, what part of "Compassion" and "justice" do you not understand? What part of "hire three laywers all of whom shaft you" do you not understand? What part of "thorough and complete corruption" and "racketeering" do you not understand? We have lost our loved ones to a kind of violence that is not often talked about. We suffer as do the survivors of murders by guns, knives, strangling. We are not asking for a pity party. We are asking for solidarity with justice-loving people: people with not only the capacity to be outraged, but with the capacity to think through this problem with us and suggest avenues for justice in the judicial or legal system beyond what is normally sought through probate laywers.

I am very concerned that your defensiveness may mask some sort of inside knowledge of the truth we're reporting here. No laywer we have met or consulted, and we have tried many, has been able or willing to come up against the corruption that destroyed my father and ravaged his family, and yet there may be legal remedies at levels higher than the levels at which we have sought help. It also takes money to buy justice in this country. It's no simple matter. Those of us who have been victims of predatory guardianship are seeking unusual remedies, but we know they must be out there somewhere. This is why we are reaching out to those who have fought, and perhaps even won, against such corruption.

BDonias, there WAS a posthumous reversal of a guardianship in this country. It was several years ago. The person who needed the help the most was dead, but people forget how devastating this kind of corruption can be on the families of victims of predatory guardianships. This family was able to achieve justice for themselves and their loved-one's estate and was able to clear their family's name of all kinds of damaging slander. They went to a higher court to prove that the guardianship was mistaken and not warranted, but I am concerned that not all judicial systems are clean and justice-oriented enough to allow such a reversal to happen. But please don't give up the fight and don't stop telling your story just because we encounter heartlessness and cruel words.

NO PITY PARTY HERE. JUST OUTRAGE AND DETERMINATION TO BUILD SOLIDARITY AND A BODY OF KNOWLEDGE AND SUPPORT THAT WILL BRING THE PERPETRATORS OF THESE CRIMES TO JUSTICE!

And what you FAIL to realize is that this is a LEGAL site, not a group support site. You all need to converse by email or another place. What you FAIL to realize is that BDonais came here for LEGAL advice, and she got it REPETITIVELY which was hire an attorney. All others that have allegations of such abuse only recourse is the same -- hire an attorney. Your claims can only be resolved via a civil suit and not here on this legal site. Take your party, solidarity, or whatever you want to call it to a more APPROPRIATE place. Understand this -- this site is NOT the place for it.

 

[BlondiePB]

Blondie what does the PB at the end of your name stand for. Is it your experience title or your last initials. And how did you come about your experiece to give advice on Elder law and Probate Issues? And have you ever dealt with this type of situation or were you or someone you loved a victim? Could this be why you are so angry? Why don't you tell us your situation so we can understand where you are coming from and maybe we can be of help and can give you some advice from our experiences.

I wish you well whatever your troubles may be.

I know what I know because I have to know it. As previously stated to you, the first and preferred choice is a ward's family. When a ward's family is NOT appointed guardian, there's something wrong with the family -- especially when the family is willing to take on the duties and responsibilities of being a guardian. Bringing your support to a legal site is NOT appropriate. Your continuance to do so is what is annoying and you are a liar as was demonstrated in your thread. You received your legal advice over and over and still come here for your group support. Take the support group elsewhere. FYI, if I was a guardian employed by some service, etc. and saw proof that a ward and/or a ward's estate was being abused, I would report it to the proper authorities. Exchange emails for your group support.

 

[cybersue]

Hostile and fruitless

I am finding this thread utterly hostile and fruitless, apart from what bjeand is trying to say. If the only answer available here is "hire a lawyer," then what's the point of this whole web site?

BlondiePB you are DEAD WRONG about something always being "wrong with the family." In our situations and in many others like them, there is SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM AND ITS PLAYERS, NOT WITH THE FAMILY.

You fail to hear what we are saying. Both of us were labeled "troublemakers" because we were advocating for our parents medically. We saw them being abused and neglected (including medically, which is often fatal) and we stepped in. The label "troublemaker" was used to 1) separate us from our parents, 2) bulldoze over our parents' stated wishes and deny their civil rights, 3)railroad our parents into death, 4) prejudice all potential laywers and judges against us with slanderous (i.e.: untruthful) and perjurous statements, and 5) ravage the family in every way possible while gaining financially and politically from all of these crimes. These are known tactics, repeated in places around the country where corruption and racketeering have taken over the probate and guardianship systems. (Yes, it doesn't happen everywhere, but it's alarming how many stories are coming out that match ours!)

Clearly there is no one reading this thread who can help bjeand and me right now with insights or suggestions; no one in a position to think creatively with us. Hiring a lawyer will not work. They don't want our case because they all know that they will step into a cesspool of corruption and will not win without significant support from members of the judiciary and, I dare say, other branches of government.

We are seeking avenues to become our own advocates by using every available means for justice in the system. If there is a lawyer in the world who cares about justice, we hope to find him or her through this forum. We have clearly exhausted our means of finding legal help, otherwise we wouldn't be here. So what IS the point of this forum? We can hear "get a lawyer" any day of the week from anywhere, and it means nothing and is a true slap in the face for survivors of tragedies like ours.

I will take my efforts elsewhere and welcome bjeand to send me a private message through this forum if you'd like or post to me here one last time so that I can contact you by email if you wish.

Bjeand, pay close attention to the Florida people who picked up on this thread at the beginning: they are organizing against this deadly corruption int their state. Go to: justiceforfloridaseniors.org and maybe by following what they are doing and by having conversations with them, you will find some helpful insights.

My idealistic take on this is that I truly believe that if there is no clear legal remedy that we need to expose what happened to us as widely as possible as we seek to encourage reform of the probate/guardianship system nationwide and to hold these people accountable for their prejudices, their assumptions, and their crimes for the first time! Perhaps we can collaborate on getting our story out? -- Susan

 

[BlondiePB]

FYI THE SUPREME COURT RULED THAT THE CONFLICT HAS TO BE WITH THE WARD ANY OTHER CONFLICT BETWEEN FAMILY MEMBERS IS INVALID.

This is true; however, you are just to stupid to understand exactly what it means, Beverly.

But the finacial POA my brother had was a general and is not accepted in Texas and in bold capital letters states it is only financial doesnt include medical and ends when the person becomes mentally incapacitated. So you see when this all started it not only was not accepted in Texas but was not valid even before the guardianship hearing. So there was no DPOA that is Durable Power of Attorney for those reading who don't know what the letters stand for.

As demonstrated in your other post, BD, you are a liar. In your own words on the letter you posted on the internet you stated that the court extended your brother's DPOA to include medical. And, that your brother took whatever assests that your mother had.

The judge did say in the orders if I took guardianship classes I could become Successor Guardian. Although family members have never been required to take these classes until me.I was assurred when I completed the classes I would be placed as guardian immediately which was another lie by the representatives of the court. I did everything that was required of me and still denied the guardianship.

Did the judge know that you had a judgement for a repossessed vehicle against you? That, in itself, makes one ineligible to be a guardian of anyone. The court does background checks on everyone, including family members, who wants to be a guardian. I haven't looked up the specific TX statute; however, states do require all guardians, including family members, to take the guardianship class.

Who is considered the court anyway is it the judge the representatives who work for the court?

Yes.

I Hired an attorney who along with the other representaives of the court withheld evidence.

Perhaps, you hired a lousy attorney.

Your advice to hire an attorney what do you think I have been trying to do. As I said in my first post. I have spoken with numerous attorneys none who are interested in going up against the court. But all I have spoken to do agree I have a case. And recommend I speak to another attorney.

As stated in your other thread, you will require a very LARGE retainer.

So my next question is can I (personally) Have this case moved to another county
Is this something i can do myself? The filing a petition or whatever its called?

This is something that you CANNOT do yourself. Only an attorney can assist you with moving the case to another county if it can be moved and that will cost you more money.

blondie you are so ashamed about the probate court you possiable work for that you wont even admit your expeience in this field. Are you scared of losing your job so you wont speak the truth. or maybe you are one of those court representatives that doesnt want others to know whats really being done in our judicial system.

No, no, and no. You found evidence that I work for the court, a service, or an attorney? Now, that I just love to see for myself.

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If the only answer available here is "hire a lawyer," then what's the point of this whole web site?

To point you in the proper, legal direction which is your ONLY means of recourse.

BlondiePB you are DEAD WRONG about something always being "wrong with the family."

Let's see, you're a self-proclaimed troublemaker, Susan, just like Beverly who lacks credibility due to her own lies that I have uncovered and has a judgement entered in the court for a repossession making her totally ineligible to be a guardian.

I have found some cybersue tracks in cyperspace too about BBQ sauce, walkie talkies bought at Walmart, computer info site, RV trailer site, and some other things too vulgar to mention. There's even a trail that leads right to St. Louis, MO. Thus far, every person who has come here complaining about this issue was a family member not appointed guardian of his/her own relative. Thus far, they have lied about why they were NOT appointed guardian of their OWN relative. I don't even want to know your story of why you were not appointed guardian of your own relative. Obviously, it is NOT me that has the credibility problem.

Clearly there is no one reading this thread who can help bjeand and me right now with insights or suggestions; no one in a position to think creatively with us. Hiring a lawyer will not work.

Again, hiring an attorney is your ONLY recourse. Just bring a lot of money to an attorney, at least $20,000.00.

I will take my efforts elsewhere

Thank you.

And since BD has posted her email address for you and the entire world, how about deleting this thread. She's very easy to find on the internet, including her address, phone number, etc. I found her in a matter of minutes. That's really not a good thing for criminals to find and access. There's even criminals in prison that come to this site.

 

[BDonias]

name calling

Blondie your name calling is unprofessional. Many times over you reword what your writers say to fit your own agenda. Grow Up and become a responsiable member of the human race.

 

[BlondiePB]

obviously it is not I who has a crediability problem.

Obviously, I have PROVEN that it is YOU who has the credibility problem and who is a liar.

blondie are you a saint?

Many people think so.

I doubt your entire life you never made mistakes.

My last mistake was trying to cook. No one let's me do so with very good reason.

You probably just have not been caught and held accountable for them.

Nothing to catch as you probably have tried and FAILED to do.

Yes I am very easy to find that was the intention. I am not ashamed of anything in my life, are you? After all I am human.

A very STUPID human that, in itself, is shameful. You're just to stupid to realize it.

You're too stupid to know that there's other ways for those with your cause to contact you without having all your information so readily accessible in cyperspace. Your too stupid to realize how your information can jeopardize your own safety. Your too stupid to realize that regardless of what I think of you, I even cared to point out how dangerous this is and even cared about your safety. Perhaps Susan will be able get through to you how dangerous having your information in cyberspace is.

just to get back on track this is not about me. This is how to hold those accountable for our loved ones untimely deaths. Not doing ones duty to protect and maintain. It is illrevalant who was the guardian. Family, Service or attorney. the fact is the appointed one has a duty to the ward. When this person does not do there duty they must be held accoutable for it. Otherwise the programs do not work.

Of course, it is about you. It's about you coming here to a Legal site and obtaining the ONLY legal recourse available to you, stupid. You really have a SERIOUS reading and comprehension problem.

Blondie your name calling is unprofessional.

You haven't seen nothing yet, stupid.

Many times over you reword what your writers say to fit your own agenda.

Your own words, ver batim, were used -- stupid.

Every post just further demonstrates your lack of credibility and that you have a problem. You obviously require medication or need your's adjusted. Seek some professional help for your mental problems.

This link will help: http://petit.philou.free.fr/

 

[cybersue]

Not all cybersues are the same!!

Beverly, I'm just not as ragingly obsessive as Blondie even about the negligent homicide of my father!! So...I don't have your email address and I'm not sure I would want to search so desperately for it. Please feel free to leave a private message through this forum, because I do not want to engage in, or support Blondie's manical abusiveness any more. Her guilty conscience just rages wildly across this thread, and it's kind of sickening and disturbing. I hope she comes clean with someone she trusts.

Just so you know, Beverly, it's clear that Blondie has no idea how to conduct responsible research: not every "cybersue" in cyberspace is me!!! There must be at least a dozen other "cybersues" out there using that nickname. Not every person with my first and last name is me, either. There are others who have both of my names. So Blondie has demonstrated her lack of integrity very clearly.

I hope you will not take Blondie's deeply misguided comments to heart. I do not give them any credence except to say that they only illustrate our point and demonstrate to those who are listening what people like you and me are up against. Self-righteous venom and attack, grotesque and unfair assumptions of guilt for our mere status as loving and caring and intervening family members: this is very illustrative of what my family got out of "the system" during that tragic guardianship: blame, finger-pointing and attack, made-up accusations, fabricated "evidence," all based upon nothing but sick speculation.

The guardianship and probate system and its culture of blaming and overpowering the family at whatever cost to the prospective ward and his/her loved ones must be changed. Our search for legal advice and for justice will surely be better spent elsewhere.