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Clock

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What is the name of your state? New York

I apologize for the length of the post here, but there seems to be a great deal of information here in some of the posters and I just want to provide as many details as possible. I have a bunch of standalone questions in bold, and if any of you have any experience or suggestions with any of the questions or my general situation I'd love to hear about it. I've also scanned and read most of the threads in here, appreciated the fact that I wasn't alone in this and definitely appreciating REAL WORLD EXPERIENCES instead of the endless "this is the worst penalty" pages that exist out there, and I'd like to contribute. Thanks in advance.

Abbreviated version: Friday night, I got in a small car accident (fender bender, no injuries, he drove his truck off and my vehicle operated without issue but is currently waiting to be looked at) and got a resulting DWI after blowing a .12. I'm a first time offender.

Long version

Disclaimer: I'm not a bad guy. I went out to celebrate my promotion at work, drank too much, and made a horrible, horrible decision to drive home. I'm not a partier. I don't drink more than maybe once a month, and when I do that it's typically at a friend's house where I can stay the night. I'm not mad at anyone but myself, I can't even look at alcohol right now, I'm ashamed to tell anyone besides immediate and family and best friends, and my goal is to absolutely put this behind me and never, ever make this mistake again. My goals right now are to right the boat and try to salvage as much as I can.

When driving home on a one lane road with a median, a pick-up truck cut into my lane from the median. He had no signal on. I braked hard and cut to the right, but I hit. OK, pulled over into the street he clearly wanted to turn into and get out of the car. He first said "Hey man, I had my blinker on!" as if that was a valid excuse to cut someone off from the MEDIAN. He didn't have it on, by the way. Next he even said "Oh man, let's not involve the cops, I've had a few beers!" I was out drinking myself (had stopped, but really I was a complete moron for driving). About two minutes later the cops show up. Don't know how, but since there's a trooper barracks literally about 2,000 ft away, I'm guessing they heard it.

They ask me if I've been drinking. I said I had three ******is starting about seven hours ago (it was midnight at the time). Stupid, I know, but really I'm out of denial and I know that what I did was wrong. Anyhow - went through the whole process, and basically I got busted. The other guy apparently got away with his "few beers."

I blew a .12 at the "official" machine at the barracks. I was very well behaved and cooperative. I was then picked up by a family member (no jail, no bail, released on my own recognizance, kept my license). I've been charged with a DWI and driving too close (I'm a little miffed about this one because the officers didn't even ask me what happened, but OK, bigger fish to fry right now).

Fast forward to today, about two days after my arrest. I've done a TON of internet research, literally over 14 or 15 hours' worth. The general conclusion that I came to was that my end goal here is to plead down to a DWAI. Reason being that you can't plead to a non-alcohol conviction, my license will only be suspended for 90 days as opposed to six months, and most importantly, a DWAI is a non-criminal offense.

I talked to my lawyer, whose wife is the county clerk and a generally decent guy who I know has good connections. His plan is to jump on this immediately and get the ball rolling. He helped me out with a problem I had three or four years ago and I genuinely trust this guy.

My arraignment date is a week from Thursday. Now, for all of the research I did online, and hunting through forums, I didn't really see a lot of detail on this whole stage of the game.

So here's my theory on how this is going to happen. Basically what I'm looking at from some of you guys with experience is just to correct me where I'm wrong, give me an advice, provide "buts", etc.

Final Conviction:
I'm a 26 year old, first time DWI offender. My driving record is completely clean aside from a few parking tickets and a speeding ticket in Ohio that occurred roughly four years ago. I'm going for a MBA and have a career job that pays well for my age. I have no crimes under my belt or anything like that.

Big question #1 (Conviction): Keeping in mind that I'm a first time offender with an otherwise clean record and a .12 BAC and that an accident WAS involved (but no injuries and I'd assume no property damage over 1,500), what do you think of my chances at pleading down from a DWI misdemeanor to a DWAI? I realize this is an extremely open-ended question with an infinite amount of variables, but again, just wondering what experiences some of you have.

Big question #2 (Conviction): Is it possible to make such a deal happen before the arraignment, and if so, can I simply plead guilty to the DWAI charge at my arraignment that was originally a DWI? What I'm getting at with this one is that if I'm arraigned with a DWI charge, the only way I'll be able to drive after my arraignment is if the court believes I have a hardship, which from what I've read requires actual evidence to support it. With a DWAI, my understanding is that I can request a "stay" which will delay the start of the mandatory 90 day suspension by 20 days - enough time to get a conditional license which does NOT have the 30 day limit that the DWI charge entails.

License:
Currently, I still have a full, unrestricted license. My license has not been taken away, I haven't gotten a call from the DMV or anything saying that my license has been suspended.

Big question #3 (License): A major concern of mine at this point is running into a driving lapse to get back and forth from work. Assuming that my lawyer is not able to negotiate the DWI down to a DWAI by my arraignment (and therefore my license will be taken and I won't be eligible for my conditional license for thirty days after), is it difficult to attain a hardship license AT the arraignment? I believe I should qualify - I live in a very suburban area with no public transportation, my job is 45 minutes away and the rest of my family work in completely different areas. I'm also enrolled in graduate classes, though they will literally have just ended on that night until the Fall.

Big question #4 (License): What sort of evidence should I bring to be prepared to get a hardship license? Basically, the main reason I need a restricted / hardship license is that I need to get to work and back. Though each member of my family drives and owns their own cars, they are all going in thirty different directions and my employment is 40 miles away. I'm not sure how to make the court aware of that without me saying it (which is useless, from what I've read). If my lawyer simply states this instead of me, is that enough? Do I get written / signed letters from my family members maybe?

Car Insurance (going through Geico):
I have a claim in for the accident, telling them my side of the story (driver swerved from the median into my lane). My expectations here are that I'm going to be at fault if for no other reason other than the officers gave me a "Following too closely" ticket. When filing the claim, one of the questions was whether or not the police were involved. I said "yes," because they're going to find out one way or another and I did not want to outright lie to the insurance company. The one thing I did NOT fill in was the ticket #.

Big question #5 (Insurance): Is Geico going to, or able to pull up the police report of what happened that night and thus find out about my DWI charge? I realize that they will most likely find out at some point, but since I'm not lying I'd prefer to make them work if they want to find the charge.

Big question #6 (Insurance): What's the general deal with SR22? I've seen two things:
A) that it's just a form that says "Yup, this guy has adequate insurance and he's paying"
B) it is an entirely different type of insurance, such that regardless of how well covered I am under my current policy, that even if my current policy isn't dropped then I will still need to call up Geico and ask for what's essentially an SR22 quote.

Big question #7 (Insurance): Does a DWAI conviction in New York automatically mean I must file for an SR22? If not, is that because an SR22 is only applicable for DWIs or higher or something to that effect? Is the necessity for an SR22 negotiable in the plea bargain?

Big question #8 (Insurance): Assuming that Geico does not find out about the DWI charge and I successfully negotiate a DWAI but am required to submit an SR22, does A) the DMV automatically alert Geico, who then drop me / raise my insurance
B) my request from Geico for an SR22 tips them off and they automatically jack up the rates / drop me
C) Geico simply sends the SR22 form since I already meet the necessary coverage?

Big question #9 (Insurance): Currently, I'm paying about 900 dollars a year for car insurance while still getting very good coverage. Understanding that my insurance will likely increase drastically but that my record with Geico is otherwise clean, what would some of you guess this I will end up paying, either with Geico or another company, given a DWAI or DWI conviction? I'm assuming they will not drop me outright since they also insure high-risk motorists. I've seen figures that start as low as a 70% increase (which "only" amounts to a new yearly rate of $1530) and all the way up to 450% (over four grand). What happened with you guys?

Thanks!
 
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>Charlotte<

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A lot of posters aren't going to read all that, so I edited it for you.

What is the name of your state? New York - specifically, Western New York / Buffalo area

Abbreviated version: Friday night, I got in a small car accident (fender bender, no injuries) and got a DWI after blowing a .12. I'm a first time offender.

Long version

A driver cut into my lane from the median, and I hit him. Minimal damage, no personal injury. Cops showed up. I said I had three drinks and was arrested. I blew a .12 at the "official" machine at the barracks (no jail, no bail, released ROR, kept my license). I've been charged with a DWI and driving too close.

My end goal here is to plead down to a DWAI. Reason being that you can't plead to a non-alcohol conviction, my license will only be suspended for 90 days as opposed to six months, and most importantly, a DWAI is a non-criminal offense.

I have a lawyer and my arraignment date is a week from Thursday. So here's my theory on how this is going to happen. Please correct me where I'm wrong.

I'm 26, first time DWI. I have a few parking tickets and an out-of-state speeding ticket from four years ago.

What do you think of my chances at pleading down from a DWI misdemeanor to a DWAI?
Is it possible to make such a deal before the arraignment?
Can I plead guilty to the DWAI charge at my arraignment that was originally a DWI?

If I'm arraigned with a DWI charge, I will need a hardship license. Can I request a “stay” to delay the mandatory suspension by 20 days - enough time to get a conditional license which does NOT have the 30 day limit that the DWI charge entails? So far, my license has not been suspended.

Assuming my lawyer is not able to negotiate the DWI down to a DWAI by my arraignment is it difficult to attain a hardship license AT the arraignment? I don't have access to public transportation, my job is 45 minutes away, and my family can't help. I'm also enrolled in graduate classes. What evidence should I bring to be prepared to get a hardship license?

I have filed a claim with my insurance for the accident. My expectations are that I'm going to be at fault if for no other reason than the officers gave me a "Following too closely" ticket. Is Geico going to find out about my DWI charge? (CLT747’s answer: yes).

What exactly is SR22? Does a DWAI conviction in New York automatically mean I must file for an SR22? Is the necessity for an SR22 negotiable in the plea bargain?

Currently, I'm paying about 900 dollars a year for car insurance. What would you guess I will end up paying?
 

Clock

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Thanks, CLT... again, I apologize for the verboseness, just wanted to give all the details. I know I appreciated them when I was reading through other peoples' posts!
 

>Charlotte<

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Sure, and a lot of people don't mind reading a long post. But many do, so I figured this would help you get more responses. Actually, I had to sit here while I waited for something, and I didn't have anything else to do. :)

I can answer your question about Geico finding out, though. They will.
 

Clock

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Sure, and a lot of people don't mind reading a long post. But many do, so I figured this would help you get more responses. Actually, I had to sit here while I waited for something, and I didn't have anything else to do. :)

I can answer your question about Geico finding out, though. They will.

I figured they would - What was your experience, if you had one? Did they drop you?
 

BL

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I find it interesting that someone you know has connections .

Justice for all - not .

Having said that , no one can predict if you'll end up with a reduced conviction .

With a first Dwi , Dwui , it's possible to get a restricted license .

Can I get a conditional license if I was convicted of DWI or DWAI?
If you receive your first conviction for DWI or DWAI and you participate in the Drinking Driver Program (DDP), you can receive a conditional license. The DMV determines if you are eligible for the DDP. A judge can stop your enrollment in the DDP. To get complete information read the DMV brochure, The Drinking Driver Program.

The law mandates participation in the DDP, even if the driver is not eligible for a conditional license, for convictions of specific alcohol or drug-related violations, or in specific plea-bargaining situations.


http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/dmvfaqs.htm

Expect your Ins. rates to go up .

Once the conviction is in the sys. Ins. Co.'s can see it .

They do ask questions about it .
 
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Clock

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I find it interesting that someone you know has connections .

Justice for all - not .

That's about it - but I'm not gonna turn him down, ya know?

Not as if it matters. I'm not getting out of this with anything less than a DWAI, I'm sure.
 

Clock

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OK, here are another two questions.

If I finish the DDP, from this link: http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/broch/c40.htm under the "completion" section and the "Re-licensing for non participants" section, it appears that as soon as I finish the DDP program I'll get my full license back, regardless of the 90 day suspension / six month revocation. True story?

Now - does that mean I ACTUALLY get my full license back immediately after I finish the program, regardless of the 90 day suspension / six month revocation?

Second - can I sign up for these classes NOW, before my arraignment? This would have the triple whammy:
1. getting my license back early, potentially only seven weeks after I take my first the class!
2. perhaps putting myself in a better light with the prosecutor as taking the initiative on my own
3. If I get a DWAI and get a stay, then I can actually be taking those classes during the stay with a full license and only need my conditional license for the difference of the time.

Is any of this possible, or not really?
 

ravegoo3k

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I have just gone through the same experience;

* 26 year old 1st time offender
* blew a .12

My arrest did not involve an accident though, I got pulled for having a tail light out.

To answer your questions:

1- If you successfully complete the DDP program you will receive a "green slip" at the end of the last class. You can go to the DMV the next day and get a full license back, no questions.

2- As for signing up early for the classes I am not sure. I believe you have to get your name into the system first before you are eligible. What will happen after your arraignment, if you get they "stay" of license, you will have two weeks to sign up for the DDP. During this time you will be fully licensed. At this point you can sign up for the DDP classes.

What happens though, when you sign up for the classes you forfeit your full license for a conditional license. The conditional is what you have until you complete the classes.

3- As for getting into better light with the prosecutor, I'm not sure. In my case getting it dropped to a DWAI was no problem, I think it's standard procedure. Keep in mind I had no accident involved, I don't know if that changes anything.

My point is here that the prosecutor is not here to "get" you, only your fine money. It depends on the judge you get.

3- I believe I answered this question already, but you forfeit your full license as soon as you sign up for the DDP classes. Unfortunately, in my case at least, when I signed up the first class was a month away so I would have had to spend a month with a conditional license before even starting the classes.

If you have any other questions I can answer let me know, I've just gone through all of this.

As for your previous Geico inquiries, I too am hoping they don't find out.
 

Clock

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I have just gone through the same experience;

* 26 year old 1st time offender
* blew a .12

My arrest did not involve an accident though, I got pulled for having a tail light out.

To answer your questions:

1- If you successfully complete the DDP program you will receive a "green slip" at the end of the last class. You can go to the DMV the next day and get a full license back, no questions.

2- As for signing up early for the classes I am not sure. I believe you have to get your name into the system first before you are eligible. What will happen after your arraignment, if you get they "stay" of license, you will have two weeks to sign up for the DDP. During this time you will be fully licensed. At this point you can sign up for the DDP classes.

What happens though, when you sign up for the classes you forfeit your full license for a conditional license. The conditional is what you have until you complete the classes.

3- As for getting into better light with the prosecutor, I'm not sure. In my case getting it dropped to a DWAI was no problem, I think it's standard procedure. Keep in mind I had no accident involved, I don't know if that changes anything.

My point is here that the prosecutor is not here to "get" you, only your fine money. It depends on the judge you get.

3- I believe I answered this question already, but you forfeit your full license as soon as you sign up for the DDP classes. Unfortunately, in my case at least, when I signed up the first class was a month away so I would have had to spend a month with a conditional license before even starting the classes.

If you have any other questions I can answer let me know, I've just gone through all of this.

As for your previous Geico inquiries, I too am hoping they don't find out.

This is great info! Thanks for replying!

OK, more questions for you - tell me about your court process. Did the prosecutor approach you / your lawyer with the DWAI deal or did you have to push it down to one? Did you handle everything right then and there at the arraignment, so only one court appearance was needed?
 

Clock

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Quick update:

- Geico knows about the DWI. I had to tell them about it when describing the events that took place. They were going to find out anyhow, so it's almost "nice" to have that be one less uncertainty on the table.
- The damage to my car approached 5,000. This is mostly due to the fact that the radiator was cracked and will need to be replaced.
- Geico paid for all of my damages. My car is currently being repaired, which is of some comfort.
- I'm currently signed up for a defensive driving course. After doing a little more research, I found that even with a DWI conviction I'm eligible, it'll take four points off of my license and give me a 10% reduction in insurance as well. I can reschedule the class whenever I want to without any financial penalty. This is important, since taking the class before the conviction will NOT take any points off of my license. Have to wait until after it's officially a conviction. Though obviously getting the points and insurance is going to help after all of the court stuff / insurance, another plus to this is my lawyer will be able to add another "plus" in my column for the DA when figuring out whether or not to give me the DWAI plea or not. Hopefully this is looked at as a favorable action on my part.
 

Clock

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Here's another update.

Tonight is my arraignment.

My lawyer called the DA twice between now and last week, but never got a call back. He did, however, get a hold of him today. Unfortunately for me, the policy of the town that I was charged with the DWI in does not allow even a first time DWI offense to be pled down to a DWAI if an accident was involved. When my lawyer told me that my heart absolutely sank, as this is all I wanted. I figured it would be a struggle to get the DWAI with any accident involved, but the way my lawyer outlined it this is basically a stone wall that only a very special case will crack.

The only hope I have left on this front is that my lawyer can craft a letter that compels someone (I don't remember who exactly this is) to give me a leniency and grant me the DWAI plead. The gist that I'm getting is that these are granted on a case by case basis. With any luck, this person will give me the benefit of a doubt. Past that, I'm cooked, and I'll either have to plead guilty and have a criminal record or go to trial, which I simply can't afford.

Apparently in order to even get this letter together, my lawyer needs a copy of the police report. Geico is asking for it as well. I went to the town court to request it, but they pointed me to the state police office. I went there and was told that the only real way to get this would be to go through my attorney who should contact Albany. He's also asked me to call the other guy involved in the accident and ask if everything is ok in an attempt to get a feel for whether they're going to claim an injury or not.

Since I know my license is going to be taken away tonight at the arraignment, the only possibly good thing that can happen is that I'm granted a hardship license and can drive back and forth from work.

Given the way that everything has gone so far, I'm tempted to just plead guilty to the DWI tonight and be done with it. I won't, of course, but this is certainly taking a toll. I got my hopes WAY too high that this could all be settled at arraignment.

I think the only strategy I have left at this point is to let my lawyer see if he can somehow get this plea deal. If not, I'm going to just plead guilty to the DWI.
 

BigMistakeFl

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BigMistakeFl

I'm sure your lawyer will advise you thus, but you will not want to plead guilty, rather you should go with no contest. There are reasons for this, not the least of which is civil court action since an accident was part of this.
 

Clock

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I'm sure your lawyer will advise you thus, but you will not want to plead guilty, rather you should go with no contest. There are reasons for this, not the least of which is civil court action since an accident was part of this.

Understood why pleading "guilty" could harm me with any future civil cases - what are some of the reasons? And also, is there any sort of deadline that this guy would have to file suit by?
 
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