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mdschneider

Junior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Louisiana

Is it legal to record a public music performance without the artists permission? I know I cannot distribute the recording without an agreement but can I simply make a recording for personal use?

Thanks
 


quincy

Senior Member
Whether you can legally audio or video record a live performance will depend on who the performer is and where the performer is performing.

Many venues have bans on cell phones, cameras and audio/video recording devices to prevent concert-goers from making any live bootleg recordings. Some venues make exceptions to these rather typical restrictions for some performers (who request the lifting of the ban) or for some performances (generally ones held outdoors where policing fans becomes difficult).

The best way for you to find out if it will be legal for you to record a particular performer is to contact the venue (although you may wish to check your concert ticket first, as many will have "no cameras, no cell phones, no recording devices" printed right on it).
 

justalayman

Senior Member
I must have failed:(


a bit of an expansion on the question, or actually a clarification, if I may\


what if the performance is at an outside venue able to be viewed as one is standing on the public walk.


A perfect example: We used to have a festival near my town that it was typical to have bands (actually quite a few old but big name bands)(The Beach Boys, Cheap Trick, Cinderella, Tesla, Great White, and many more) in a, more or less, field surrounded by public roadways. You could hear and watch the performance from a public roadway for free.
 
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mdschneider

Junior Member
So the agreement would have to be the venue, not the artist? That makes sense unless it's a truly public place. I'm working on a project that would involve small venues like night clubs, recording un-signed artists. Do I understand correctly. If I have permission from the venue, I do not have to obtain the artists consent?
 

quincy

Senior Member
I am impressed with your editing abilities, justalayman. Reducing one of my wordy posts down to just a single letter, while still managing to maintain its gist, shows great skill on your part. :)

The exclusive rights of a copyright holder do not change just because the location of the copyrighted work changes. The copyright holder retains exclusive rights to make copies of the copyrighted work, make derivatives of the work, distribute the work and perform the work, unless these rights are expressly given away by the copyright holder through a license, transfer, assignment, or other grant of permission to use the work (there are a few exceptions to this).

Therefore, making a recording (video or audio or both) of a live performance without permission from the holder of the copyrights infringes on the copyright holders rights, even when the performance is viewed for free (again with a few exceptions*).

Many performers are protected from infringers during their live performances by choosing venues that strictly enforce the ban on recording devices. Some performers accept the reality that, with today's technology, some bootleg recordings will be made. Most performers are not going to take any legal action against their fans for capturing part of a live performance to keep as a memento of the concert performance. A select few (but growing number of) performers even encourage these "bootleg" recordings, if the recordings are for the personal use of the fan only.

An example: Fox Theatre in Detroit prohibits cameras, cell phones and audio/video recording devices. You cannot enter the theatre with these items and if you attempt to enter with the items, the items will be confiscated. However, when Sesame Street Live comes to the Fox, the restrictions are relaxed. Cameras are allowed for these performances, not because Fox Theatre says it is okay to photograph Big Bird and Elmo, but because Sesame Street Live says it is okay.

Finally, a performer must balance both the pros and cons of filing suit against fans who bootleg a live performance. A 2011 Phil Collins suit againt bootlegger Imtrat Handelsgesellschatt shows the pitfalls of a suit, even when it is decided in the performer's favor, as it was in Collins' action. A performer does not want to anger his fans.

That said, a performer will generally not hesitate to take some sort of legal action (often criminal infringement action) against those bootleggers who make, sell and distribute large numbers of copies. These bootleggers make a business off of others copyrighted works and this type of "piracy" is not so easily ignored or forgiven.

mdschneider, although performing rights societies (BMI, ASCAP, SESAC) will often collect fees from venues for the performers performing in these venues (and "performance" includes radio broadcasts, tv broadcasts, live performances, etc), the rights to the copyrighted works remain with the copyright holder. It is the performer (generally) who must okay the audio/video recording of a concert, not the venue. Although the venue may have restrictions on ticket-holders that will prohibit recording, to allow for recording must come from the owner of the copyrights.

Again, all of this is general information and specifics must be addressed by an attorney in your own jurisdiction who can review all of the facts and particulars of your situation.

(note to justalayman: I think the letter "S" sums up this post pretty well)
 
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justalayman

Senior Member

I like C for complete or maybe T for thorough; or even F for fabulous, well, maybe fantastic instead. I think I'll go with fantastic. :p




Imtrat Handelsgesellschatt shows the pitfalls of a suit, even when it is decided in the performer's favor, as it was in Collins' action. A performer does not want to anger his fans.

that has got to be a pseudonym.

Ah, it isn't Imtrat Handelsgesellschatt but Imtrat Handelsgessellschaft. What a silly error. How could one mistake Handelsgesellschaft for Handelsgesellschatt? No wonder I thought it was a pseudonym. Everybody knows the Handelsgesellschafts but Handelsgesellschatt just sounds so made up.:D


as always, a fabu... uhh...great explanation.
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
I am curious...

How is recording an outdoor performance any different than the timeshifting done when one records a television broadcast for later (personal) viewing?
 

justalayman

Senior Member
I am curious...

How is recording an outdoor performance any different than the timeshifting done when one records a television broadcast for later (personal) viewing?
timeshifting:

verb; term coined as a euphemism for the term; copyright infringement.

noun; a video game

just kidding.


timeshifting is not considered to be creating new copy of the program but simply storing the copy delivered for watching at a later time. Video recording a live performance is creating a copy of the performance.
 

quincy

Senior Member
Handelsgessellschaft, huh? Blasted spell check.

Zigner, in December of 2010, President Obama signed "The Copyright Cleanup, Clarification, and Corrections Act," which is working in part to clarify sections of the Copyright Act that are especially unclear or ambiguous, and to clarify issues that have arisen from copyright laws and various and assorted court decisions.

How do you think it is working so far? :D
 

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