Refused Entry to Bar

[Veronica1228]

Ya get what you pay for, eh Veronica?

Casa hon, either I am really tired or you are talking in riddles tonight. I'm thinking it's the former.

 

[brotherman82]

Well what else would I have to do to prove it was valid. I gave them 4 I.D.'s all with pictures, showed them a credit card with my name, as well as my social secruity card which surprise had the same signature as my D.L. I guess I should have brought my passport to the bar. I mean I did plenty enough to prove it was my I.D. and at that point they had no reason to believe otherwise. So again, can they refuse service for no reason, or can they use a reason as ridiculous as we don't think thats your D.L. after all that?

 

[Veronica1228]

Well what else would I have to do to prove it was valid. I gave them 4 I.D.'s all with pictures, showed them a credit card with my name, as well as my social secruity card which surprise had the same signature as my D.L. I guess I should have brought my passport to the bar. I mean I did plenty enough to prove it was my I.D. and at that point they had no reason to believe otherwise. So again, can they refuse service for no reason, or can they use a reason as ridiculous as we don't think thats your D.L. after all that?

I've already answered your question. How many times do you want to repeat your question? As many times as it takes for you to get a different answer? Okay, fine........

No, they can't refuse service to you even though they found your ID questionable. I suggest you go hire the most expensive lawyer you can find to prosecute the bar owner to the fullest extent of the law. Your case is worth millions of dollars. Too bad Johnny Cochran is dead. He would have snapped up your case in a minute.

Let us know how you make out.

 

[brotherman82]

Haha. What is it with you guys. I asked you if they could refuse to serve without reason and if this varied from state to state. You told me they did have a reason, which I was trying to show should have been mitigated. If you don't know, you don't know. The generally before that question was there for a reason; I wasn't talking specifically about what I had been asking before.

 

[Veronica1228]

Haha. What is it with you guys. I asked you if they could refuse to serve without reason and if this varied from state to state. You told me they did have a reason, which I was trying to show should have been mitigated. If you don't know, you don't know.

You know those signs that say "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone?" There's your answer. If you don't believe me go hire a lawyer tomorrow. You know, with actual money?

 

[brotherman82]

You know those little contracts we call tickets? They say a lot of things that don't always stand in court. There's my response to that asinine reply. Furthermore 5 min. of looking at some case law has revealed that it may in fact depend wheter or not the refusal is arbitrary or not, which after the lengths I went to in this instance would seem to be the case to me. Again great advice.

 

[BelizeBreeze]

You know those little contracts we call tickets? They say a lot of things that don't always stand in court. There's my response to that asinine reply. Furthermore 5 min. of looking at some case law has revealed that it may in fact depend wheter or not the refusal is arbitrary or not, which after the lengths I went to in this instance would seem to be the case to me. Again great advice.

Take the suggestion and go pay for your legal advice. You have absolutely no concept of what is and isn't allowed under the law and what 'refusal of service' means under federal law.

 

[brotherman82]

STATE case law, not federal (how many times?) which has extended the Federal Civil Rights Act (see Unruh Civil Rights Act (CA)). Not sure if we have anything like that in Texas though, probably not, and it would be intereseting to see at what point its determined reason no longer existed. You see BB I never wanted to sue, but again that would have taken some reading and understanding of the initial post. I merely had a question about wheter or not its allowed and would have accepted a reasonable answer the first post. Unable to get that, I'm forced to exchange meaningless banter with you and a couple others who use sarcasim to disguise the fact that you either have no idea or could care less, and if either is the case your posts are unwanted and useless. People come to this site asking for legal advice, not to be told something they could have drawn from their H.S. government class.

 

[BelizeBreeze]

STATE case law, not federal (how many times?) which has extended the Federal Civil Rights Act (see Unruh Civil Rights Act (CA)). Not sure if we have anything like that in Texas though, probably not, and it would be intereseting to see at what point its determined reason no longer existed. You see BB I never wanted to sue, but again that would have taken some reading and understanding of the initial post. I merely had a question about wheter or not its allowed and would have accepted a reasonable answer the first post. Unable to get that, I'm forced to exchange meaningless banter with you and a couple others who use sarcasim to disguise the fact that you either have no idea or could care less, and if either is the case your posts are unwanted and useless. People come to this site asking for legal advice, not to be told something they could have drawn from their H.S. government class.

give me one cite from State, federal or imaginary law that requires the owner of ANY business to serve or allow within the premesis, anyone they do not wish to serve.

I'll be holding my breath.

 

[brotherman82]

Hope you Didn't run out of air yet. Hope this will suffice to prove a point. L.N, isn't assessable yet but I believe its: In re Cox, 3 Cal. 3d 205, 216 (1970),

The nature of the 1959 amendments [to the Unruh Act], the past judicial interpretation of the act, and the history of the legislative action that extended the statutes' scope, indicate that identification of particular bases of discrimination-- color, race, religion, ancestry, and national origin--added by the 1959 amendment, is illustrative rather than restrictive.
Although the legislation has been invoked primarily by persons alleging discrimination on racial grounds, its language and its history compel the conclusion that the Legislature intended to prohibit all arbitrary discrimination by business establishments. ... We therefore conclude that a business generally open to the public may not arbitrarily exclude a would-be customer from its premises and, upon customer's refusal to leave, subject him to criminal conviction.

 

[brotherman82]

So what have we established here BB? That there was some truth in everything I said. That you can't arbitrarily be prevented from patronizing a business in some states and that your incredibliy uninsightful posts aren't due to arrogance but ignorance.

 

[BelizeBreeze]

Interesting cite to support your case since Cox (the petitioner) lost in his bid for Habeas Corpus.

I suggest you read (and comprehend) IN THE SUPREME COURT OF CALIFORNIA , B. BIRGIT KOEBKE et al., Plaintiffs and Appellants, v. BERNARDO HEIGHTS COUNTRY CLUB, San Diego County , which can be found here.

 

[brotherman82]

Whether or not petitioner was or wasn't granted Habeas Corpus is irrelevant to the issue at hand, and I'm sure you at least know that. If this needs further explanation I only need to point you to the case you have placed a link too. From that case, which I admit I hadn't been able to find due to lack of resources here, we find that this issue has evolved to the point that discrimination in CA must be first based on some personal characteristic for it to be illegal. However, this includes unconventional clothing and seeing that it was a country bar and i didn't exactly have on my boots or cowboy hat and was dressed a little more, well lets just say, formal, I think had this been in CA and I wanted to be THAT GUY, I could have pursued it. Fine, thats real legal advice. I still maintain the question wasn't as far fetched as it was treated, and further more I'm sure there are other cases in other states on the issue, although I don't care to look anymore because after calling the manager, I didn't get free drinks, just no cover as long as she's the manager. I'll take it.

 

[Miss Smith]

Well color me Chartruese and call me Charmed

I am telling you fellows and ladies, I am getting my heart beat up. Is anyone else finding this young man from Texas really charming or what? I am kidding nobody when I am telling you that I am ready to get on the next greyhound bus and head down south this dang minute. Bump bump bump bump goes my heart.

Young man, I will come with my cane, we will go to that local pub and I will get you in. My cane speaks Texan do not you worry. I will get you those free drinks yessirreebarbarella.


Hmm. Do you like the smell of violets, or roses. Heck I will wear both of my toilet waters for you. Do you like cats? Of course you do.

Sigh.. I bet you looked great in your uniform.

Hold on there, I will get my bus schedule... do not move a rippling muscle, I will be right down.
Sigh...finally. a man for me.

 

[brotherman82]

Hey, that sounds great. I'll pick you up at the bus stop in the Wal-mart parking lot, and we'll head across the street to Dairy Queen and get your trip started off right.