Reproductive Rights of Mentally Ill

[Ma.TC]

I have to ask...to what end?

Please clarify your question.

 

[BOR]

Thank you, for the direction.
What type of lawyer would be best to consult.

Call your local Bar Association, they will ask for a brief description of the case, they will offer a referral.

Bset wishes!!

 

[Zigner]

Please clarify your question.

Ok, straight out. Is this about money, or punishment?

 

[Ma.TC]

Her "state" is debatable.
And, if it's DV, it should be reported to the police.

Otherwise, I ask, to what end?

Emotional DV is very hard to have investigated. Even when children are involved, it is difficult to prove.

At the core of the issue is not DV.
An irreversible procedure was performed on a person who lacked the ability to consent. The man knew this and this can be proven.

He isolated her from her mother in order that she would not intervene on her daughter's behalf. He stayed with her around the clock, when she expressed her desire not to have an abortion he yelled and intimidated her.

He convinced her to sign over power of attorney to him, even though the legality of this particular document was questionable, the woman believed it was legal.

He used this as a form of intimidation. More specifically he threatened to have her comitted. She is a single mother, she could lose custody of her children.

 

[Zigner]

Emotional DV is very hard to have investigated. Even when children are involved, it is difficult to prove.

At the core of the issue is not DV.
An irreversible procedure was performed on a person who lacked the ability to consent. The man knew this and this can be proven.

He isolated her from her mother in order that she would not intervene on her daughter's behalf. He stayed with her around the clock, when she expressed her desire not to have an abortion he yelled and intimidated her.

He convinced her to sign over power of attorney to him, even though the legality of this particular document was questionable, the woman believed it was legal.

He used this as a form of intimidation. More specifically he threatened to have her comitted. She is a single mother, she could lose custody of her children.

The POINT is that you have no PROOF that anything illegal occurred. Furthermore, even if it did, what do you hope to accomplish? You pretty much ignored THAT question.

To be clear: You have absolutely ZERO proof to back up your claim that this adult was legally incapacitated.

 

[Ma.TC]

Ok, straight out. Is this about money, or punishment?

Neither.
This is about the rights of the mentally ill.
Her wishes were made clear to him in front of witnesses. He was informed of her state of mind and manipulated the situation to his advantage.

Certainly monetary compensation for the medical treatment would be nice, but IMO this is an issue of both a woman's right to choose and the rights of those with mental illness.

 

[Zigner]

Neither.
This is about the rights of the mentally ill.
Her wishes were made clear to him in front of witnesses. He was informed of her state of mind and manipulated the situation to his advantage.

Certainly monetary compensation for the medical treatment would be nice, but IMO this is an issue of both a woman's right to choose and the rights of those with mental illness.

So, you are here just discussing the academics of it?

 

[xylene]

Abortion is legal.

How she felt about abortion does not change the facts.

You have not described any events that sound remotely like rising to the level of criminality in regards to the abortion or the so called DV.

This is an adult, with a med manageable mental illness.

She was free in these choices.

What really happened is that her pro-life views went poof when she got a severe episode after stopping medication.

 

[Ma.TC]

Her normal medicine is a sedative... So taking a sedative would have cleared, not clouded her judgment.

You were not there.

She is displacing her own regret onto her boyfriend.

It is sad and hard to be bipolar.

If her dosage / type of medicine was to strong to take during pregnancy and her case bad that she can't manage without, she might not be able to have children. It is tough.

Having abortions is not wrong.

Abortion did not cause or worsen her bipolar. It is a brain disease.

Mental illness forces people to give up dreams and aspirations in the face of a medical reality.

She should consider using a non-hormonal permanent reversible contraceptive, an IUD until she can get better managed.

In order to avoid a debate on abortion, it is not necessary to state your personal opinions on abortion.
You have also made some rather broad statements on mental illness, which are also more opinion, than fact.

-The side effect of a sedative is NOT clear judgement, this is klonopin, a pretty heavy tranquilizer. That DOES impair judgement.

-People with Bipolar Disorder are more likely to suffer severe emotional distress following an abortion. No the abortion did not cause bipolar disorder, but it is easy to reference an overwhelming amount of information that will affirm that a major life event can intensify and/or trigger Bipolar Disorder, even if the individual is medicated.

-People with Bipolar Disorder can have children and function in normal society, though at times they will have manic/depressive episodes.

-The Dr had already confirmed that the dosage of medication in her bloodstrem at that point would probably not affect the fetus. Again, she had 2 healthy pregnancies, the first she was taking the same medications when she concieved. Again, you digress from the real issue.

 

[Ma.TC]

The POINT is that you have no PROOF that anything illegal occurred. Furthermore, even if it did, what do you hope to accomplish? You pretty much ignored THAT question.

To be clear: You have absolutely ZERO proof to back up your claim that this adult was legally incapacitated.

There is proof, the psychiatrist, who has documented proof of her state of mind. There is proof that the boyfriend was present with the psychiatrist.
Additionally the doctor wrote a letter to her University stating that she was incapable of returning to school to due mental incapacity.

I think what I want to accomplish is justice. If this is not illegal, then perhaps it should be. The mentally ill are taken advantage in many ways, this particular story struck me because it involves reproductive rights as well.

 

[Silverplum]

There is proof, the psychiatrist, who has documented proof of her state of mind. There is proof that the boyfriend was present with the psychiatrist.
Additionally the doctor wrote a letter to her University stating that she was incapable of returning to school to due mental incapacity.

I think what I want to accomplish is justice. If this is not illegal, then perhaps it should be. The mentally ill are taken advantage in many ways, this particular story struck me because it involves reproductive rights as well.

So who are YOU in THIS case??

 

[Zigner]

The OP is here merely to discuss his/her OWN viewpoints on abortion, whilst telling us to keep our opinions on abortion out of it.

HOWEVER, abortion is LEGAL, therefor, there is nothing wrong with it. That is a LEGAL FACT.

OP has no real point here except to grandstand.

 

[xylene]

Again, you digress from the real issue.

There is no issue.

Someone who espoused a pro-life position had an abortion.

That is perfectly legal. And given the totality of facts presented, sane and sensible.

 

[Ma.TC]

There is no issue.

Someone who espoused a pro-life position had an abortion.

That is perfectly legal. And given the totality of facts presented, sane and sensible.

Actually a mentally ill person was coerced, while in a vulnerable state and under the influence of medication that additionally impaired her judgement.

She trusted that her wishes would be followed when she went off her meds. Instead this man waited until she was medically ill and emotionally vulnerable. He bullied and intimidated her into the abortion. EVEN up to the minute before the abortion, she was crying, begging him not to do it.

A neuropsych expert documanted and can testify to her state of mind as well as numerous friends and acquaintances.

 

[Ma.TC]

So who are YOU in THIS case??

That question is irrelevant.