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Lad

Member
What is the name of your state? CA
Need advice on piece of unwanted certified mail rec’d. Background: Contract dispute with D, hasn’t paid for almost 2 years, getting ready to take him to court. Called to leave message on him ans. machine to ask to pay. He returned call, disputing amount, and wanting to send in payments. We had previous agreement to pay only $100 a month which he never kept since 4/06, he now disputes total amount. Bottom line, he’s a deadbeat with everyone and will never pay unless ordered.
He called me back, became abusive and belligerent, threatened if I took him to court I would “regret it” and there would be “serious repercussions”. My suit is in good faith and not frivolous. On phone, I related amount I would accept in total, he disagreed, and I advised a few times no payments due to poor payment history, fraud/misrep in contract (and many other reason too long to mention). Long story short, I told him pay it all now or court, no payments and hung up due to his rage and obscenities. He called back seven times - I refused to answer. He then drove 20 miles to my house and came to the front door, then up the driveway to garage. I was so afraid I called police - why is this important…because he had left, so Sheriff went to his house to advise him never to call me or trespass again. Sheriff calls me later and says D told Sheriff he was going to post office to mail me a partial payment in spite of my refusal, certified mail. Anyway, certified letter, signature required letter arrives in my mailbox with the green certified signature card attached unsigned, postman just left it there. I can only imagine it’s likely for $100 and he owes me around $4K. He’ll never keep up payments and for obvious reasons, I want no contact with him. I have, not mentioned in entirety here, enough evidence to persuade judge to rule for total amount, even if lien is required – no payroll withdrawal as he can’t keep a job. I am in process of filing suit; sending demand letter first, then thirty days till court, so will take 60 days or more. The post office was wrong to leave the signature card attached and unsigned.
QUESTION: Now, what do I do with the letter? I know from the Sheriff it is not the full amount and I do not want to acknowledge any type of acceptance of it. Should I send it back unopened? Opened? With note? Save it for court? Or return it to the post office. I want to do the best thing to protect my rights but also to look cooperative to the Judge.
Thank you in advance for any suggestions.
 
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FlyingRon

Senior Member
QUESTION: Now, what do I do with the letter? I know from the Sheriff it is not the full amount and I do not want to acknowledge any type of acceptance of it. Should I send it back unopened? Opened? With note? Save it for court? Or return it to the post office. I want to do the best thing to protect my rights but also to look cooperative to the Judge.
Thank you in advance for any suggestions.

Take it back to the post office and refuse it (if you just drop it in a mail box it will just come back to you).
 

Rexlan

Senior Member
Take it back to the post office and refuse it (if you just drop it in a mail box it will just come back to you).

Disagree. When it was put in the box it was delivered and to return it is proof of delivery. Refusal is immaterial .. it is delivered so deal with it. Might be able to dispute the delivery if it is just tossed, but not if returned.

Keep the money and still go to court. Foolish to refuse good money and you are under no obligation to accept payments unless there is a contract to that effect.
 

Ozark_Sophist

Senior Member
Don't send it back. He can use it (unopened) to show a good faith attempt to make a payment or if it is the full amount. I'd open it to see what it says before you sue.
 

fairisfair

Senior Member
Disagree. When it was put in the box it was delivered and to return it is proof of delivery. Refusal is immaterial .. it is delivered so deal with it. Might be able to dispute the delivery if it is just tossed, but not if returned.

Keep the money and still go to court. Foolish to refuse good money and you are under no obligation to accept payments unless there is a contract to that effect.

I disagree, no way would I cash any check that was in that envelope. An acceptance of a partial payment might be construed as an acceptance of the payment agreement.
 

ForFun

Member
Need more details about the contract. Does it define a default? Is there a right of redemption? Does it explain your remedies and rights?

The answer to those questions may change the outcome.
 

Lad

Member
Lots of varied suggestions, thanks

Need more details about the contract. Does it define a default? Is there a right of redemption? Does it explain your remedies and rights?

The answer to those questions may change the outcome.

First, thanks everyone for all the answers and, no, I will NOT cash it as that not only means I accept his assertion of the amount in dispute, but that I will also accept payments which I will not.

In terms of above quote,
No, two K's: oral which I am suing on
Written, obtained using fraud and misrep, suing for rescission

Neither with default or redemption, but the written did allow for K acceleration if he was employed. In short, nothing much in my favor.

So there seems to be some disagreement amongst the replies - open and send back or just send back with or without note. Again, my concern is posturing for my civil case - if he refuses my demand letter (not req. to be certified, but will be sent us and cert. nevertheless) certified, or the court filing, I intended to make the point to the judge that such refusal shows an attempt to evade or impede the process. I can't do that if I do the same with this letter - unless I know what is in it - either by opening or per the sheriff. I could send it back wit ha note saying, I told you the full amount, no payments, feel free to resend if that is the contents, otherwise, forget it. Then again, I could open and use it in court to show he only offers 100 on a huge debt.
Thanks again, looking forward to more responses and help
 
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Ozark_Sophist

Senior Member
You would look really bad if you sent it back, or held it unopened, and then sued the guy--AND the full amount is in the letter.
 

Lad

Member
You would look really bad if you sent it back, or held it unopened, and then sued the guy--AND the full amount is in the letter.

I submitted to some high UV light - it is a money order for $50. Not even the 250, then 100 he orginally agreed to pay.

Outrageous.
 

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