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Video taping the TSA

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What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? any state in US

is an airport considered a public place? and if so do people have the right to tape the TSA people when going through the checkpoints?
 


quincy

Senior Member
There are federal statutes that prohibit the taking of photographs or videotaping certain areas unless authorized by a designated official. There can be legitimate government security interests in preventing photo-taking and videotaping in an airport and these government security interests can supersede any First Amendment rights. That said, courts are always suspicious of government restrictions when the restrictions serve to silence critics of the government, government programs or government operations.
 
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FlyingRon

Senior Member
Sorry Quincy, usually you are spot on, but on this one what statute are you referring to? It is national TSA policy that it is fine to record the checkpoints as long as you're not interfering with their operation. There appears to be no FEDERAL rule that says you can't. Some airports might have more aggressive local ordinances, but by and large anybody who bullies you out of shooting airport security checkpoints is doing without an basis in law.

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/taking_pictures.shtm
 

Some Random Guy

Senior Member

quincy

Senior Member
Thank you FlyingRon and Some Random Guy for adding to my abbreviated post. Everything I wrote was accurate, by the way, FR - I just didn't have time to complete my post and my thoughts as other matters pressed (you should know by now that I rarely limit myself to just 3 lines of text :D).

I had planned to add that, despite broad First Amendment protections, the government has the authority in certain circumstances and under certain conditions to restrict both photo-taking and video-taking, and this holds true in airports with the photo-taking and video-taking of and at TSA checkpoints.

There was a Supreme Court decision in 1992 that ruled that public airport terminals are not "public forums," and "reasonable" regulations of and restrictions on First Amendment expressions are acceptable if the regulations and restrictions are not designed solely as an effort to suppress First Amendment rights (see International Society for Krishna Consciousness, Inc v Lee, 505 US 672). Other areas that have been ruled by courts to be outside the public forum have been prisons, military bases, outside post office doors, and in federal courthouses (even sidewalks outside federal courthouses, until recently - see below).

Hence you have local ordinances, local laws and state statutes, as well as federal laws, that can regulate and restrict the taking of photos and videos in airports and elsewhere.

The First Amendment's protection of speech covers speech within public forums - public places historically associated with free expression such as public parks, public streets, public sidewalks - and the taking of photos and videotaping constitutes protected "speech" in these public fora. The Supreme Court has found that the sidewalk around the Supreme Court building, for instance, is a public forum, however inside the building there can be reasonable restrictions placed on First Amendment expression (see United States v Kokinda, 497 US 720, 727-28, and Greer v Spock, 424 US 828, 838, 1976).

It was just last month that a First Amendment/Civil Rights lawsuit filed by the New York Civil Liberties Union against the government, over the arrest of a photographer/videographer taking videos outside a federal courthouse, was settled, with the government conceding that photographing and videotaping on sidewalks outside federal courthouses was not prohibited by law, and prohibitions against such photo-taking and video-taking violated the First Amendment rights of free expression.

However, Transit Authorities throughout the country often have uncodified rules requiring the acquisition of a permit before photographing or videotaping within a transit system (see Massachusetts Bay Transit Authority, Florida's Miami-Dade Transit Authority, Washington Metro Area Transit Authority, New Jersey Transit, etc), many of these rules dating back to the early 1900s, and they have enforced these rules in the past (especially after 9/11), often by confiscating the film and photography equipment of permitless photographers and videographers, including that of the media.

And there are local ordinances and laws that can prevent photographing and videotaping if such expressions violate anti-loitering laws and disorderly conduct laws and/or if they interfere with public safety (ie. the flow of or obstruction of traffic). These "public safety" and/or security regulations are the type of regulations in place in many airports, and these are ones that can allow for restrictions on photo-taking and videotaping at TSA checkpoints and often are used to restrict photo-taking and videotaping.

SO, despite the TSA's policy that says it is fine and dandy to take photos and videos of and at checkpoints inside airports, arrests (as Some Random Guy illustrated with his link to the incident in San Diego) can be made, and have been made, when the photo-taking and video-taking is seen to be in violation of rules, regulations, local ordinances and laws, state laws, or federal laws.

That is why, in addition to TSA's stated policy that it is okay to take photos and videos at or of TSA checkpoints, the TSA has added the recommendation that travelers check with the specific airports they will be traveling to, through, and from to see what restrictions (local, state and/or federal) may be in place that could lead to an arrest for photographing and videotaping. ;)
 
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I dont see an issue with video taping (audio??-depends on state) what they do in broad daylight. And I have always spoken up if I think the screeners have gone too far. I recall several months ago a TSA screener wanted to look down the pants of my young offspring ... I told him that an attempt to do so would result in me arresting him/citizens arrest. He said he was only doing his job. I told him to plead that to a judge, I don't buy it. He let us go w/o looking down the pants. Wow, this is what we have to do....yea, I'll give up my Colt AR-15 and AK-47
 
i wonder if they would put on a fresh pair of gloves if you request it. i wouldnt want to be touched after those gloves have been God knows where.
 

justalayman

Senior Member
i wonder if they would put on a fresh pair of gloves if you request it. i wouldnt want to be touched after those gloves have been God knows where.
that is a very good question and I agree with you. Since they are apparently putting their hands inside people's pants and undergarments, who knows what kind of bugs they are pulling out.
 
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Willlyjo

Guest
that is a very good question and I agree with you. Since they are apparently putting their hands inside people's pants and undergarments, who knows what kind of bugs they are pulling out.

Do you seriously believe they are putting their hands inside people's pants and undergarments or are you joking? I think you're joking but it isn't really apparent.
 

stealth2

Under the Radar Member
Speaking of the TSA, what I predicted has apparently occurred. A menstruating woman was pulled aside for a pat-down when the scanner showed her wearing a pad. Yeah - that's what I want to do - flash a blood-soaked sanitary pad to prove I've got my period rather than smuggling God knows what in my crotch.

Anyone else seen those 4th Amendment underwear you can buy? LOL I do love American ingenuity!
 

Proserpina

Senior Member
Speaking of the TSA, what I predicted has apparently occurred. A menstruating woman was pulled aside for a pat-down when the scanner showed her wearing a pad. Yeah - that's what I want to do - flash a blood-soaked sanitary pad to prove I've got my period rather than smuggling God knows what in my crotch.

Anyone else seen those 4th Amendment underwear you can buy? LOL I do love American ingenuity!



You mean these? :)


http://cargocollective.com/4thamendment
 
Don't just rely on federal law when pissing off security personnel. Also look at state and local law.

Today's airport arrest:
TSA airport screeners gone wild in San Diego- again - San Diego County Political Buzz | Examiner.com

From the article:
... Wolanyk was arrested on two misdemeanors, “failing to complete the security process; violation code 7.01 and illegally recording the San Diego Airport Authority (they confiscated his iPhone); violation number 7.14 (a).”

"pissing off security" lol ... just act like vinny barbarino (what?) that pisses them off the worst (who?)
 

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