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nikknack

Junior Member
What is the name of your state?Pennsylvania

Hi,
I've been wondering about a couple of citations I received. My brother and I had been out drinking, he drove us home, we got out of the car and walked to the front porch where we were looking for the key to open the door when all of a sudden a police car pulled up in our driveway and asked us who was driving the car. This was at least 2 minutes after we arrived home. The police car was not behind us while we were driving home. My brother told them he was driving and with that, they threw him down on the ground and got very rough with him and told him he was being charged with a DUI. How they were treating him was so upsetting to me that I started arguing with them and yelling to them to stop hurting him. Well...that wasn't the thing to do obviously because the next thing I knew, I was ripped off the porch and my face slammed onto the ground (which later resulted in a blackeye) and handcuffed and taken to jail. I was issued a citation for drunk in public as well as one for disorderly conduct and trying to interfere with a DUI arrest.

The whole thing seems wrong to me that they would be able to arrest my brother, first of all, because they didn't even see him driving...they had to ASK because they had no idea. Second of all, I've never heard of someone being charged with a drunk in public when they're just standing on their front porch trying to get into their house. Have you?

When we got the police report a week or so after the incident, it stated that they (the cops) received a complaint from someone in some area that we hadn't even been that night. :confused: It says the person making the complaint stated that a man got in a car, got back out, fell on his face, knocked off his glasses and then got back in the car and drove away. The report also says that the person who made the complaint wrote the license plate number down and when the cops ran the tags it came up as my home address....that's why they say they showed up here.

Well...then the report also says that when they arrived, there were 3 people standing on the front porch...whenever there was only my brother and I. :confused: Anyway, the cops are the one's who threw my brother down and broke his glasses and brush burned a layer of skin off his face...he didn't get those marks on his face and broken glasses from falling out of the car and getting back in and driving away as the report is trying to make it seem. I know, because I was with him from the time we left the bar until we got home. He wouldn't have even been able to see to drive if his glasses were broken.

The whole thing seems fishy to me. :cool:

My theory is, I think the cops were casing the cars and taking down license plate numbers in the area where my brother and I were that night. It's a bar not far from where I live and cops are always hanging around there. I think they took our license plate number down (I think they run random plates of cars parked nearby and around the bar). Although it was neither myself or my brother, the car we were driving had been operated by a person who received a DUI about 2 months earlier.

Later when everyone was leaving the place they noticed our car was gone. Realizing they missed us leaving, they rushed over to this address hoping they would catch up with us before we got home. Well...they were too late to catch either of us operating the vehicle...but they said they knew we had been drinking because they said they could smell alcohol on our breath so they figured they'd still get their arrest. And hell...why not just beat us up too and take us both in? Sounded good to them.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Is it legal for the cops to do what they did? Can a person standing on their front porch trying to open the door to go inside be cited for a drunk in public? I've never heard of it...has anyone else?
 


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seniorjudge

Guest
nikknack said:
What is the name of your state?Pennsylvania

Hi,
I've been wondering about a couple of citations I received. My brother and I had been out drinking, he drove us home, we got out of the car and walked to the front porch where we were looking for the key to open the door when all of a sudden a police car pulled up in our driveway and asked us who was driving the car. This was at least 2 minutes after we arrived home. The police car was not behind us while we were driving home. My brother told them he was driving and with that, they threw him down on the ground and got very rough with him and told him he was being charged with a DUI. How they were treating him was so upsetting to me that I started arguing with them and yelling to them to stop hurting him. Well...that wasn't the thing to do obviously because the next thing I knew, I was ripped off the porch and my face slammed onto the ground (which later resulted in a blackeye) and handcuffed and taken to jail. I was issued a citation for drunk in public as well as one for disorderly conduct and trying to interfere with a DUI arrest.

The whole thing seems wrong to me that they would be able to arrest my brother, first of all, because they didn't even see him driving...they had to ASK because they had no idea. Second of all, I've never heard of someone being charged with a drunk in public when they're just standing on their front porch trying to get into their house. Have you?

When we got the police report a week or so after the incident, it stated that they (the cops) received a complaint from someone in some area that we hadn't even been that night. :confused: It says the person making the complaint stated that a man got in a car, got back out, fell on his face, knocked off his glasses and then got back in the car and drove away. The report also says that the person who made the complaint wrote the license plate number down and when the cops ran the tags it came up as my home address....that's why they say they showed up here.

Well...then the report also says that when they arrived, there were 3 people standing on the front porch...whenever there was only my brother and I. :confused: Anyway, the cops are the one's who threw my brother down and broke his glasses and brush burned a layer of skin off his face...he didn't get those marks on his face and broken glasses from falling out of the car and getting back in and driving away as the report is trying to make it seem. I know, because I was with him from the time we left the bar until we got home. He wouldn't have even been able to see to drive if his glasses were broken.

The whole thing seems fishy to me. :cool:

My theory is, I think the cops were casing the cars and taking down license plate numbers in the area where my brother and I were that night. It's a bar not far from where I live and cops are always hanging around there. I think they took our license plate number down (I think they run random plates of cars parked nearby and around the bar). Although it was neither myself or my brother, the car we were driving had been operated by a person who received a DUI about 2 months earlier.

Later when everyone was leaving the place they noticed our car was gone. Realizing they missed us leaving, they rushed over to this address hoping they would catch up with us before we got home. Well...they were too late to catch either of us operating the vehicle...but they said they knew we had been drinking because they said they could smell alcohol on our breath so they figured they'd still get their arrest. And hell...why not just beat us up too and take us both in? Sounded good to them.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Is it legal for the cops to do what they did? Can a person standing on their front porch trying to open the door to go inside be cited for a drunk in public? I've never heard of it...has anyone else?


Q: Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

A: Yes, sounds like a good bust.


Q: Is it legal for the cops to do what they did?

A: Yes.


Q: Can a person standing on their front porch trying to open the door to go inside be cited for a drunk in public?

A: Yes.


Q: I've never heard of it...has anyone else?

A: Yes.
 
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seniorjudge

Guest
nikknack said:
I've been researching online and found this information...

http://www.paduidr.com/parts/police.html

#1 and #3 on this list have me puzzled if you say this was a good arrest.

What do you think?
You didn't say anything about an anonymous call.

Also, on #3, did the police report say that the cops saw him driving or did not see him driving?

In any event, get a lawyer and fight it if you want.


Standard answer

Here are some hints on appearing in court:

Dress professionally in clean clothes.

Do not wear message shirts.

Don't chew gum, smoke, or eat.

Bathe and wash your hair.

Go to court beforehand some day before you actually have to go to watch how things go.

Speak politely and deferentially. If you argue or dispute something, do it professionally and without emotion.

Ask the court clerk who you talk to about a diversion (meaning you want to plead to a different, lesser charge), if applicable in your situation. Ask about traffic school and the ticket not go on your record, if applicable.


Here are five stories that criminal court judges hear the most (and I suggest you do not use them or variations of them):

1. I’ve been saved! (This is not religion specific; folks from all kinds of religious backgrounds use this one.)

2. My girlfriend/mother/sister/daughter is pregnant/sick/dying/dead/crippled and needs my help.

3. I’ve got a job in [name a state five hundred miles away].

4. This is the first time I ever did this.

5. You’ve got the wrong guy. (A variation of this one is the phantom defendant story: “It wasn’t me driving, it was a hitchhiker I picked up. He wrecked the car, drug me behind the wheel then took off.”)

https://forum.freeadvice.com/showthread.php?p=854687#post854687

Public defender’s advice

http://newyork.craigslist.org/about/best/sfo/70300494.html


Other people may give you other advice; stand by.
 

nikknack

Junior Member
I didn't realize I left out the anonymous tip part.

On the report it doesn't state that they saw him driving because they didn't...they had to ask who was driving.

The whole report is full of inconsistencies as to what actually occurred that evening. For instance, they said there were 3 people standing on the porch when they arrived. They even said they spoke with the 3 people. In actuality, there were only 2 people...my brother and I. It also states they received a tip from someone (in an area we were nowhere near) who said they saw my brother fall out of the car, break his glasses and get back in and drive away. Once again, not true.

I was in utter shock when I read the report. It's full of bull**** and the weirdest part is, all the inconsistencies on their part make them look that much more incredulous.
 

BigMistakeFl

Senior Member
BigMistakeFl

First off, I'll tell you what I've been trying to get my son to get through his head. Never ever argue with a cop. You have no idea if he's just come from a bad bust somewhere, or if he's in a good or bad mood, whatever. Just don't do it. Save your argument for a judge or jury. The cop will only get more pissed as you confront him.

The complaint call is something here in Florida called a "bold alert". That's where someone calls 911 after seeing you drive eradically. That person identified the car and your license number he collected when you were driving, and will be evidence against you. As for the report and any inaccuracies, your lawyer can make that argument. Now the tough part: Will a jury believe you or the cops and the eye witness?
 

nikknack

Junior Member
That person identified the car and your license number he collected when you were driving, and will be evidence against you


Will my lawyer be able to find out if there was actually a call (complaint) put in to the cops?
 
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seniorjudge

Guest
nikknack said:
...Will my lawyer be able to find out if there was actually a call (complaint) put in to the cops?

Yes, if you plead guilty and have a trial, the person who made the complaint will have to testify.
 

nikknack

Junior Member
What I meant to say was...Can my lawyer find out before the trial whether or not a complaint had really been placed and if they gave their name or if it was actually an anonymous call?

The reason I'm skeptical that there was even a complaint is because of the fact we were not near the location that the report states the complaint came from.
 

BigMistakeFl

Senior Member
BigMistakeFl

One of your lawyer's duties is to get all this "discovery" about all details of your case. Your lawyer will open dialogue with the prosecutor and get all the reports including the complaint call.
 

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