What are my options?

[crazylady84720]

On Mach 9 and 10, 2001, in the state of Utah, Child protective services removed my children from my home. I truly believe this decision was made because of erroneous information. I was appointed council by the court and my attorney allowed fase information to be entered into court. There were also, what I believe to be, major transgression by the court. These include appointing my attorney as council to my children and appointing the Guardian Ad Litem for the adjoining county to represent my children who never represented my children. My attorney was totall inept and lacked any integrity whatsoever.
The state decided to place my children in kinship guardinship or permanent foster care. What can I do to stop this from happening? The only court date left is to decide where to place them. What rights do I have in making this decision? Please help me. Time is running out and I'm desperate for information!!!

 

[I AM ALWAYS LIABLE]

On Mach 9 and 10, 2001, in the state of Utah, Child protective services removed my children from my home. I truly believe this decision was made because of erroneous information. I was appointed council by the court and my attorney allowed fase information to be entered into court. There were also, what I believe to be, major transgression by the court. These include appointing my attorney as council to my children and appointing the Guardian Ad Litem for the adjoining county to represent my children who never represented my children. My attorney was totall inept and lacked any integrity whatsoever.
The state decided to place my children in kinship guardinship or permanent foster care. What can I do to stop this from happening? The only court date left is to decide where to place them. What rights do I have in making this decision? Please help me. Time is running out and I'm desperate for information!!!

My response:

We can't help you. You never told us the reasons why the authorities took your children, and what you have been accused of in this matter. Authorities don't just "take" children without just cause and without Due Process of Law.

You skipped over the details and background, which makes me believe you have something to hide, and that you know the whole story, but are too embarrassed to say it. So, if you have something to hide, and refuse to be absolutely truthful, how can we tell if the court is doing the wrong thing or the right thing under the law with regard to your parenting skills ?

Since any doubt about your parenting skills takes "second chair" to the safety and well-being of your children, I have to believe that your children were in some sort of danger, caused by you, for the authorities to take such drastic actions.

Good luck.

IAAL

 

[crazylady84720]

Reply to I am always liable.

In answer to your response, I am neither embarrassed nor am I trying to hide anything. My children were originally removed because I alledgedly left them neglected and dependant. I was hospitalized for a suicide attempt.
They kept my children because I have multiple mental illness dianosies, suffer from suicidal ideation and have past suicide attempts.
Today my children were placed into permanent guardianship. They were placed into a situation which was far worse than having to cope with a mentally ill parent. But who wants to listen to a mentally ill person who can't afford proper council and who has intimate knowledge of the people my children were placed with?
The ICPC, written by someone with no personal knowledge of the people in question, was taken at face value. It was packed full of lies. I even gave the foster care worker ways of dertermining the truth, but he didn't follow through. I thought their job was to do what's in the best interest of the child not what makes their job the easiest.
I am not ashamed of being mentally ill nor do I feel I am so out of control, I am not able to care for my children. Like I stated before, my children are adolescents and have never been removed from care. They are good kids who have never been in trouble with the law, have good attendence records at school and good grades. The people my children were placed with can't say the same about their own respective children.

 

[LegalBeagle]

I am sorry for your problems.. but these 'other' people would have to be convicted child abusers for CPS to place them back with a suicidal mentally ill mother. Also, because of your history, they will not take anything you say seriously.

The best thing you can do is sort yourself out, get help and overcome your depression/problems. You will have a better chance at a continuing relationship with your children if the courts/CPS see you are serious about getting help.

 

[HomeGuru]

I agree with LB.

 

[I AM ALWAYS LIABLE]

My response:

I didn't know quite what to say to this fragile writer. I didn't want anything I said to be a cause, or the cause, of someone slitting their own throat.

IAAL

 

[crazylady84720]

Reply to IAAL

Your basic compassion for your fellow "HUMAN BEING" is overwhelming and your limited knowledge of mental illness quite apparent. You need not worry about causing me "to slit my throat." Quite frankly, your opinion doesn't hold that much power over me. If you can't offer any help, please keep your catty comments to yorself.

 

[HomeGuru]

Catty comments are good.

 

[deefran]

I think that for a person that wants understanding for a mental illness, calling yourself Crazylady...is not the way to go about it.

 

[I AM ALWAYS LIABLE]

My response:

Well, at least she "knows" herself, and is calling a "spade a spade" by referring to herself as a "crazy lady".

My compassion is with her children, not her, and my belief that the courts know how to keep them as safe as possible. Our writer is obviously a danger to herself, and presents an immediate threat and danger to her children. For that, I am truly sorry, and grateful to the court system.

In my opinion, our writer cannot afford the additional stress that children can bring to a home situation. Children need guidence, protection, and a stable home life. With a history of recents attempts at suicide, our writer cannot possibly handle the strain.

And besides, why should her children become witnesses to their mother eventually "offing" herself ? Or, our writer flipping out and killing her children ? We've just seen these types of killings recently in the news.

No, I have to believe that the court's decision was in the children's best interests.

IAAL

 

[Smithy]

I think I agree as well, unless there are more specific concerns about the people who have been named guardians apart from their children not getting good grades or getting in trouble at school.
Ms. Crazylady, maybe if you do seek treatment and counseling and parenting classes and exhaust yourself proving to the court that you have indeed defeated your demons, it would be possible to get your kids back. Even if you can't, it will be good for you too.