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You are being generous to allow the visit under the circumstances....since the court determined that he was not to have visitation at this time. Overnight obviously wouldn't be appropriate if Grandma has to work the next day.

I agree with ldiJ and just wanted to add a few things here.

Be careful, there is a reason the courts determined him not to have visitation time. Although you want to do what you feel is best for DD, keep in mind you do not want to go against any orders the court has set in place.

Consulting your attorney. If your attorney is not representing you as he or she should, simply consult the matter of visitation and the courts orders with a different attorney.

Although you are bound to your current attorney in court till her / she files a Motion to Withdraw Appearance. I don't feel this means you can't consult another attorney on this matter or the possibility of seeking new counsel.
 


Bloopy

Senior Member
I was referring to the high drama if dad had made a stink. Sorry you took offense.

I have read your other posts. I had already read them the last time you suggested I review your posts. I knew that the visit would be at Grandmas. It is not unreasonable for her to spend the night at her grandma’s. If you choose not to, that is reasonable as well.

I’m sorry that you read my posts as antagonistic towards you. They are not mean as so.

He didn't have one question about DD's condition, didn't contact the Dr. NOTHING! Just like he has all her life.
This is the part I intrepreted as you thinking he didn't care. It didn't imply that he loves her to peices.
 
uh....don't get all hissy fit on me....but at some point, your daughter will figure out all this on her own. and it really matters what she thinks of the situations when she is 18 and living her own life. you won't be able to control what she thinks and what people tell her. just follow the order. stop trying to be the "good" parent in order to outshine the other parent. it never works, you will only exhaust yourself. you cannot shield her from all the "bad people".

let it go!! either you allow her to have her visitation with her dad on his visitation terms (without a court order), then let him have her. you had years of parenting experince with your daughter, he hasn't. let him figure it out.

i have ten years of parenting on my belt. my husband is on his first year. i have stopped the mind frame of trying to make him do it my way. he's got to learn on his own. doesn't matter that we are together, or if we part ways. everyone has their own learning speed. it's still the same issue in your case. when he comes and gets his daughter, sit down, open a bottle of wine....and relax. your daughter will live through this. and so will you.

Excuse me, you either have no idea the history here or you are an idiot. I'm not worried if he can take care of her needs. I am worried that he will abuse her and yes that is what he was doing to her. The court knows it, the GAL Knows it, his family knows it, her counselor knows it and I know it.

I am not letting him see her so I can look good. I am letting him see her because I still believe she needs to see her dad. Her counselor is working with her to help her assert herself when dad makes inappropriate demands. It's kind of hard to tell your child, yes you have to listen to your father most of the time. However, when he tells you to run away, lie, make false accusations to CPS and the police, well then you have to tell him NO. The court has ordered dad into counseling to help him learn appropriate boundaries etc...Do you think he's done it nope. He hasn't done any of the requirements the court has put forth for him.


You have no idea what this man has told my daughter all to try and make her hate me. He has told her lie after lie all to make her believe that her life with me has been a complete sham. He had my daughter afraid of me. Thirteen years I raised her and never hurt her and all of a sudden she was afraid I was going to hurt her. I don't know how he convinced her but he did. He told her she wasn't safe in my home and that as long as she was here he couldn't protect her. He told her that when he disappeared for 6 mos. when she was eight, that I really knew where he was the whole time. He said I knew and I let her cry herself to sleep for three months and let her worry that he was dead. That all the while I really knew where he was at and let her suffer needlessly. He also told her that when we were together I was a drug addict. Oh one of my favorites, and I quote "I know you don't feel like you have been abused, but that is because you don't know any better. You've really been abused your whole life."

He really had her brainwashed. He would call her 20+ times a day, in between texting, to reinforce all the lies and to make sure she was following the rules he outlined for her. Stay in your room. Don't talk to anybody at home. Don't do chores, your not a slave. Don't play softball, since your step dad is your coach, even though you've played for the last 8 yrs. Your mom is "Hitler", she can't tell you what to do anymore your almost 14 yrs old.

He has asked her repeatedly if step dad has sexually molested her. So much so, that the counselor and GAL are concerned, concerned that he is working up to persuading her to make false accusations. Step dad has raised DD since she was 2 and loves her like his own. X tells DD that step dad doesn't love her like he does our boys, that she is a burden to him. That I don't love her as much as he does, she is his only child and I have two others. Therefore, I couldn't possible love her like he does.

Valentines day last year step dad wrote DD the sweetest most heartfelt valentine a dad could write a daughter and X tried to convince DD that step dad was really being a pervert. DD told the GAL about this card and what her dad had made her believe about it and then the GAL asked DD if she could see it. After GAL saw the card, she blasted X in her report for making it all into something it was not. This whole scenario made my husband cry. I have never in 12 yrs seen tears run down my hubby's face. Granted his eyes got a little misty at our wedding and then at each of our son's births, but there was never a tear down his cheek. This card thing tore him up. He felt like he poured out his heart (not so easy for any man and hubby is pretty macho) to DD and she spit on him.

The examples I list above are only a handful of the things X has done to try and tear apart my family. 2007 has been the worst year of my life. My X has put me and my entire family through hell. He has caused severe emotional damage to my DD and in the end caused far more harm to his relationship with her than he ever could to hers and mine. I owe him nothing!!!!! I can't even imagine how much more crap he has spewed that I don't have a clue about. I didn't just dream this stuff up either. It's not just stuff that I suspect. Some of it I have heard straight from X. Some of it I learned about from the GAL report. Some of it comes from DD's counselor and a lot of it from family counseling w/ DD and my hubby.

I'm glad you think you are so much smarter than the court, the GAL, and the counselors.

Weren't you the one having a meltdown because your X was making an abuse allegation against you yesterday. Honey you better hope that is all he comes up with. If he is half as evil as my X, you'll end up in the fetal position in a padded room!
 
I agree with ldiJ and just wanted to add a few things here.

Be careful, there is a reason the courts determined him not to have visitation time. Although you want to do what you feel is best for DD, keep in mind you do not want to go against any orders the court has set in place.

Consulting your attorney. If your attorney is not representing you as he or she should, simply consult the matter of visitation and the courts orders with a different attorney.

Although you are bound to your current attorney in court till her / she files a Motion to Withdraw Appearance. I don't feel this means you can't consult another attorney on this matter or the possibility of seeking new counsel.


Thank you, I did run it past my attorney and he felt it was fine as long as it was supervised by Grandma. I am friends with X's mom and I trust her implicitly when it comes to my DD.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
Excuse me, you either have no idea the history here or you are an idiot. I'm not worried if he can take care of her needs. I am worried that he will abuse her and yes that is what he was doing to her. The court knows it, the GAL Knows it, his family knows it, her counselor knows it and I know it.

I am not letting him see her so I can look good. I am letting him see her because I still believe she needs to see her dad. Her counselor is working with her to help her assert herself when dad makes inappropriate demands. It's kind of hard to tell your child, yes you have to listen to your father most of the time. However, when he tells you to run away, lie, make false accusations to CPS and the police, well then you have to tell him NO. The court has ordered dad into counseling to help him learn appropriate boundaries etc...Do you think he's done it nope. He hasn't done any of the requirements the court has put forth for him.


You have no idea what this man has told my daughter all to try and make her hate me. He has told her lie after lie all to make her believe that her life with me has been a complete sham. He had my daughter afraid of me. Thirteen years I raised her and never hurt her and all of a sudden she was afraid I was going to hurt her. I don't know how he convinced her but he did. He told her she wasn't safe in my home and that as long as she was here he couldn't protect her. He told her that when he disappeared for 6 mos. when she was eight, that I really knew where he was the whole time. He said I knew and I let her cry herself to sleep for three months and let her worry that he was dead. That all the while I really knew where he was at and let her suffer needlessly. He also told her that when we were together I was a drug addict. Oh one of my favorites, and I quote "I know you don't feel like you have been abused, but that is because you don't know any better. You've really been abused your whole life."

He really had her brainwashed. He would call her 20+ times a day, in between texting, to reinforce all the lies and to make sure she was following the rules he outlined for her. Stay in your room. Don't talk to anybody at home. Don't do chores, your not a slave. Don't play softball, since your step dad is your coach, even though you've played for the last 8 yrs. Your mom is "Hitler", she can't tell you what to do anymore your almost 14 yrs old.

He has asked her repeatedly if step dad has sexually molested her. So much so, that the counselor and GAL are concerned, concerned that he is working up to persuading her to make false accusations. Step dad has raised DD since she was 2 and loves her like his own. X tells DD that step dad doesn't love her like he does our boys, that she is a burden to him. That I don't love her as much as he does, she is his only child and I have two others. Therefore, I couldn't possible love her like he does.

Valentines day last year step dad wrote DD the sweetest most heartfelt valentine a dad could write a daughter and X tried to convince DD that step dad was really being a pervert. DD told the GAL about this card and what her dad had made her believe about it and then the GAL asked DD if she could see it. After GAL saw the card, she blasted X in her report for making it all into something it was not. This whole scenario made my husband cry. I have never in 12 yrs seen tears run down my hubby's face. Granted his eyes got a little misty at our wedding and then at each of our son's births, but there was never a tear down his cheek. This card thing tore him up. He felt like he poured out his heart (not so easy for any man and hubby is pretty macho) to DD and she spit on him.

The examples I list above are only a handful of the things X has done to try and tear apart my family. 2007 has been the worst year of my life. My X has put me and my entire family through hell. He has caused severe emotional damage to my DD and in the end caused far more harm to his relationship with her than he ever could to hers and mine. I owe him nothing!!!!! I can't even imagine how much more crap he has spewed that I don't have a clue about. I didn't just dream this stuff up either. It's not just stuff that I suspect. Some of it I have heard straight from X. Some of it I learned about from the GAL report. Some of it comes from DD's counselor and a lot of it from family counseling w/ DD and my hubby.

I'm glad you think you are so much smarter than the court, the GAL, and the counselors.

Weren't you the one having a meltdown because your X was making an abuse allegation against you yesterday. Honey you better hope that is all he comes up with. If he is half as evil as my X, you'll end up in the fetal position in a padded room!

Hon...its ok...this was someone who didn't know or understand the backstory. You are doing the right thing. Its enormously generous of you to allow any Christmas visit at all.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
Thank you, I did run it past my attorney and he felt it was fine as long as it was supervised by Grandma. I am friends with X's mom and I trust her implicitly when it comes to my DD.

That's wonderful that you have a good relationship with your child's paternal grandparent and can trust her. That simply helps you do what is best for your child.
 
I was referring to the high drama if dad had made a stink. Sorry you took offense.

I have read your other posts. I had already read them the last time you suggested I review your posts. I knew that the visit would be at Grandmas. It is not unreasonable for her to spend the night at her grandma’s. If you choose not to, that is reasonable as well.

I’m sorry that you read my posts as antagonistic towards you. They are not mean as so.


This is the part I intrepreted as you thinking he didn't care. It didn't imply that he loves her to peices.


Sorry, If I miss read you.

It is not unreasonable for DD to stay the night at Grandma's and she does so about once a week. I don't think it is a good idea for her to do so when X is there. This guy is sneaky and I wouldn't put it past him to sneak into her room at night and try to enlist her in the next campaign to help his court case or try to get her to run with him.

My worst fear is that he will take her. He has already told our family counselor that he will take her if he loses the custody case. We haven't made it to trial yet, but I know, he knows he has lost.

I'm not dealing with a normal guy here. This guy used to sneak over to my house late at night and have DD sneak outside to meet him. I caught him doing this twice. I have no doubt that he would try to sneak into her room to be alone with her at Grandma's.

He is only allowed to call DD on my home phone, I have blocked his access to her cell phone. He has asked DD repeatedly since summer time to go to a pay phone or a friends and call him. Evidently he wants to talk to her about something, but won't on my home phone because he thinks he is being recorded. DD told me this and she says she makes excuses as to why she can't call him. She too is worried that he will make demands of her that she doesn't want, so she really isn't ready to be alone or talk alone with him yet.

Sometimes I feel like I am dealing with an older many trying to involve my teen daughter in a romance. The GAL has alluded to this as well. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that anything sexual is going on just a very inappropriate father daughter relationship.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
Sorry, If I miss read you.

It is not unreasonable for DD to stay the night at Grandma's and she does so about once a week. I don't think it is a good idea for her to do so when X is there. This guy is sneaky and I wouldn't put it past him to sneak into her room at night and try to enlist her in the next campaign to help his court case or try to get her to run with him.

My worst fear is that he will take her. He has already told our family counselor that he will take her if he loses the custody case. We haven't made it to trial yet, but I know, he knows he has lost.

I'm not dealing with a normal guy here. This guy used to sneak over to my house late at night and have DD sneak outside to meet him. I caught him doing this twice. I have no doubt that he would try to sneak into her room to be alone with her at Grandma's.

He is only allowed to call DD on my home phone, I have blocked his access to her cell phone. He has asked DD repeatedly since summer time to go to a pay phone or a friends and call him. Evidently he wants to talk to her about something, but won't on my home phone because he thinks he is being recorded. DD told me this and she says she makes excuses as to why she can't call him. She too is worried that he will make demands of her that she doesn't want, so she really isn't ready to be alone or talk alone with him yet.

Sometimes I feel like I am dealing with an older many trying to involve my teen daughter in a romance. The GAL has alluded to this as well. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that anything sexual is going on just a very inappropriate father daughter relationship.

Again, you are not doing anything wrong. Anyone who has advised you differently doesn't understand the backstory.
 
That's wonderful that you have a good relationship with your child's paternal grandparent and can trust her. That simply helps you do what is best for your child.

Thanks LDiJ, yes it is wonderful. It does help DD that some things are still normal. Though the hard part is DD can't even tell her Dad that she goes to Grandma's because he tells her she can't go. He tells her that if he can't see her then his family can't either. It is really sick and sad and just another example that X really only thinks about himself and not about what is best for DD. I just really wish he would participate in the counseling and see the damage he is causing to his relationship with DD. I really think he is so delusional that he doesn't see that there is anything wrong with what he is doing. I really feel sad for his mom in all this. She loves her son, she is sick with all this and hurting deeply that she can't support him in his behavior.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
Thanks LDiJ, yes it is wonderful. It does help DD that some things are still normal. Though the hard part is DD can't even tell her Dad that she goes to Grandma's because he tells her she can't go. He tells her that if he can't see her then his family can't either. It is really sick and sad and just another example that X really only thinks about himself and not about what is best for DD. I just really wish he would participate in the counseling and see the damage he is causing to his relationship with DD. I really think he is so delusional that he doesn't see that there is anything wrong with what he is doing. I really feel sad for his mom in all this. She loves her son, she is sick with all this and hurting deeply that she can't support him in his behavior.

Its honestly sad but its truly great for your DD that her grandmother isn't in denial. That gives your DD a loving connection to her paternal family even though her dad is a problem. That doesn't happen all the time. In fact, it doesn't happen all that often.
 

Bloopy

Senior Member
The creepy stalker/suitor analogy is a good one.

And your right, it’s unrealistic that a sleeping granny could supervise them to the degree that is needed. Sorry.

On a side note, how do you restrict the cell phone calls? You need not actually reply. I just wanted to mention you could set a cell phone to only accept calls from certain numbers rather than excluding certain numbers. This is useful because if you’re excluding Dad’s numbers, he just needs to use a different phone. Bear in mind, if Grandma can from her home, so can Dad if he’s being sneaky. I’d have her phone charging in my room at night as I would for any teen.
 
The creepy stalker/suitor analogy is a good one.

And your right, it’s unrealistic that a sleeping granny could supervise them to the degree that is needed. Sorry.

On a side note, how do you restrict the cell phone calls? You need not actually reply. I just wanted to mention you could set a cell phone to only accept calls from certain numbers rather than excluding certain numbers. This is useful because if you’re excluding Dad’s numbers, he just needs to use a different phone. Bear in mind, if Grandma can from her home, so can Dad if he’s being sneaky. I’d have her phone charging in my room at night as I would for any teen.


Her cell phone is restricted to taking or making calls where the number exists on her contact list. She can't add or delete numbers on the contact list without a pass code that only I have. I couldn't find a phone to limit the texts in the same way. However, I do check the phone records every month and can see any and all #'s that texts were received or sent to. X has tried to text DD 2 times and DD told me immediately.

I really wish I didn't have to worry about this stuff. All I want is X to quit with the manipulating and I would back way down and things could get back to normal.
 

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