Possibly Threatened by Officer

[Charles Bronsen]

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? NY

This happened a few years ago, but I was always interested about the rights I had during this incident.

It was 2 am, on a cold winter night. Me and two of my friends were enjoying some fast food, in my car, by a "no standing sign" posted deep under the bridge where its hard to see it. But people always leave their cars there during the day to go fishing. I guess its a courtesy thing that everyone there doesn't get ticketed. But the law does state you can't stand there. And I perfectly knew that. So a patrol car rolls up on us, and they ask us to move. We are the only car there.

I tell them, in a nice calm tone, "come on guys, people stand here all the time!", while getting ready to start my car. Definitely a mistake, but I was younger and less wise at the time.

So of course, they took it like I was mouthing off to them. Quickly put their lights on and pulled up behind me. Jumped out of their car, and quickly came up on us. Wanted my license, regi, and insurance, and after they looked it all over in front of me, the officer speaking to me demanded the keys to my car. I asked him why. He told me, if I don't give him the keys right now, they will "rip us from the vehicle and have us arrested". I understood afterwords why he wanted the keys. Both my front windows were open, so obviously without the key, I would have no way of closing them. We were left to freeze for 20 minutes while they wrote out the no standing ticket. Sweet... Normally it takes no more then 10 minutes. I understand that they were trying to show whos boss in a way, with everything that they did, and wanted to be nasty about it, but was he allowed to take my keys that way and threaten us like that? Thanks.

 

[Hot Topic]

The incident happened "a few years ago." So why are you still obsessed with it?

You and your friends were parked under a bridge at 2 a.m. No wonder the police were suspicious.

Who cares if people stood there "all the time?" People exceed the speed limit all the time. Does that mean it's okay for you and your friends to do it?

I don't believe that you were told that if you didn't give up your keys, you'd be ripped out of the car and that the police officers would "have us arrested." Making arrests. That's what police officers do. Duh!

Gotten enough tickets so that you know writing one out takes no more than ten minutes?

You were a wise guy then, and you're a wise guy now.

 

[Charles Bronsen]

Your a waste. And what many would call a hater. I didn't write this to get your smart ass criticism. Obviously you don't like me. You sound like you should be in their circle of friends. Don't worry about what happened to me. Your pathetic existence is more of an issue at the moment.

The incident happened "a few years ago." So why are you still obsessed with it?

You and your friends were parked under a bridge at 2 a.m. No wonder the police were suspicious.

Who cares if people stood there "all the time?" People exceed the speed limit all the time. Does that mean it's okay for you and your friends to do it?

I don't believe that you were told that if you didn't give up your keys, you'd be ripped out of the car and that the police officers would "have us arrested." Making arrests. That's what police officers do. Duh!

Gotten enough tickets so that you know writing one out takes no more than ten minutes?

You were a wise guy then, and you're a wise guy now.

 

[cyjeff]

Your a waste.

You're.

And what many would call a hater. I didn't write this to get your smart ass criticism

Consider it a bonus.

Obviously you don't like me.

We don't know you... but I can't say that I am impressed so far.

You sound like you should be in their circle of friends

The cops? Over you? Well, far be it from me to draw such distinctions.

However, you were someplace you weren't supposed to be at a highly suspicious time.

The cops tried to cut you a little slack and you mouthed off. That is buying a ticket to the game.

No, I don't believe he should have asked for your keys... but he certainly could have asked you to turn off the car.

Don't worry about what happened to me. Your pathetic existence is more of an issue at the moment.

NOW who is being the hater?

 

[CdwJava]

Yes, he could probably ask you for the keys. Or, as I would prefer, I would have you take the keys out of the ignition and step out of the car, or, have you put the keys on the trunk, the roof of the car, or whatever.

If you feel the officer behaved in an unprofessional manner, you should contact his agency and ask to make a personnel complaint.

 

[Charles Bronsen]

Maybe you wanna give Hot Topic a back rub too? Ok, I see this is a joint effort coming from your side, and arguing with you guys won't get me anywhere. Everything you and Hot Top said, sounds so arrogant, it's not even funny. Im not at that age anymore to be playing games on the forums. Apparently you guys haven't grown out of it.

BUT you actually did make use of yourself, and indirectly told me everything I needed to know concerning my issue with the cops. So it seems he had no right to ask for my keys, because you doubted he did in the first place, and both my friends were witnesses that he actually did, and I swear on my life that it happened exactly how I typed it. Though, Im an automatic lier in your eyes because you don't approve of something I wrote or explained, or you just wanna be on Hot Tops balls. "Of course it's not possible for a man who wears a badge to do such a thing! Not at all!" You wanna judge me over the computer and take the doush bag cops side, go ahead. You guys are talking like it's completely and utterly impossible for a police officer to use misconduct, and Im automatically a criminal because I was in a place where I wasn't suppose to be and exercising my right of free speech. I can't argue with such ignorant mentality. Thanks again.

You're.

Consider it a bonus.

We don't know you... but I can't say that I am impressed so far.



The cops? Over you? Well, far be it from me to draw such distinctions.

However, you were someplace you weren't supposed to be at a highly suspicious time.

The cops tried to cut you a little slack and you mouthed off. That is buying a ticket to the game.

No, I don't believe he should have asked for your keys... but he certainly could have asked you to turn off the car.

NOW who is being the hater?

 

[Charles Bronsen]

I appreciate your response. I didn't realize you guys had the right to do such things. The citizen is at such a great disadvantage with a police officer encounter. Everything is against the citizen. All you can do is complain later. But what ever will traumatize you for many years to follow, doesn't really matter apparently.

Yes, he could probably ask you for the keys. Or, as I would prefer, I would have you take the keys out of the ignition and step out of the car, or, have you put the keys on the trunk, the roof of the car, or whatever.

If you feel the officer behaved in an unprofessional manner, you should contact his agency and ask to make a personnel complaint.

 

[cyjeff]

Maybe you wanna give Hot Topic a back rub too? Ok, I see this is a joint effort coming from your side, and arguing with you guys won't get me anywhere. Everything you and Hot Top said, sounds so arrogant, it's not even funny. Im not at that age anymore to be playing games on the forums. Apparently you guys haven't grown out of it.

You are getting all hot and bothered about a legal stop years ago and WE have the maturity issue?

BUT you actually did make use of yourself, and indirectly told me everything I needed to know concerning my issue with the cops. So it seems he had no right to ask for my keys, because you doubted he did in the first place, and both my friends were witnesses that he actually did, and I swear on my life that it happened exactly how I typed it.

Didn't say that.

I said, "No, I don't believe he should have asked for your keys", I DIDN'T say that he couldn't have asked you to do any of the things Carl pointed out.

In other words, no, I don't think he should have taken physical possession of them unless he was going to take physical possession of you.

Though, Im an automatic lier in your eyes because you don't approve of something I wrote or explained, or you just wanna be on Hot Tops balls

.

And, suddenly, I am doubting the whole "I yelled at a cop calmly" crap.

"Of course it's not possible for a man who wears a badge to do such a thing! Not at all!" You wanna judge me over the computer and take the doush bag cops side, go ahead

Really, get over yourself.

You asked if it was a legal stop and arrest. It was.

I wasn't there... but going by what you said, nothing was done improperly. Why did the ticket take 20 minutes? I don't know... maybe he was running your plates because he didn't before. Maybe he was on a power trip because you screamed out of the car at him when he was trying to cut you a break. Maybe he just had to find a working pen.

I don't know. Neither do you. You, however, automatically think it was because the cop had it in for you... there isn't evidence to show that.

You guys are talking like it's completely and utterly impossible for a police officer to use misconduct,

Nope, didn't say that either.

You really have to avoid these sweeping statements.

and Im automatically a criminal because I was in a place where I wasn't suppose to be and exercising my right of free speech.

You weren't arrested for using free speech. You just convinced the officer to arrest you for illegal behavior that he was going to let you slide on.

Nice work... oh, and you WERE committing an illegal act by stopping there... you knew it and the cop pointed it out. You just decided you had to get the last word in and screwed yourself.

I can't argue with such ignorant mentality. Thanks again.

Sorry you didn't get the answer you have obviously thought you deserved all these years.

You were wrong. Get over it.

 

[Charles Bronsen]

You weren't arrested for using free speech. You just convinced the officer to arrest you for illegal behavior that he was going to let you slide on.

Nobody was arrested. I never stated that anywhere. He threatened he would, why I don't know. I was starting the car in front of him. He clearly saw it. Im pretty sure you would not agree with the cop if you were there. The way he acted was not right. He was just abusing his powers, thats all. I really deserved to worry about getting physically man handled out of my car if I didn't give up my keys, just because my mouth was not shut before the mighty king. Right? Job well done on the cops part.

You know, you remind of me of this creature admin, who lives on the nissan maxima forums. His name is also Jeff and he gets off on arguing online. If I didn't know any better, I would say your the same person.

 

[CdwJava]

I appreciate your response. I didn't realize you guys had the right to do such things. The citizen is at such a great disadvantage with a police officer encounter. Everything is against the citizen. All you can do is complain later. But what ever will traumatize you for many years to follow, doesn't really matter apparently.

The courts have LOOOONG granted law enforcement the right to do things for their safety. So long as the officer can articulate that he separated you from the keys for safety purposes, it is merely a detention by different means. You already had no legal right to depart the scene so having your keys in the ignition was not necessary.

And, yes, if you have a problem with the officer's attitude and demeanor, the avenue to complain about it is through the agency.

 

[Charles Bronsen]

The courts have LOOOONG granted law enforcement the right to do things for their safety. So long as the officer can articulate that he separated you from the keys for safety purposes, it is merely a detention by different means. You already had no legal right to depart the scene so having your keys in the ignition was not necessary.

And, yes, if you have a problem with the officer's attitude and demeanor, the avenue to complain about it is through the agency.

I understand.. But being able to close my windows so I wouldn't freeze, would be a good enough reason to keep them in the ignition. Would have been courteous of him to let me close them at least. I wonder if I asked to close the window, what would be his response.. He knew what he was doing, IMO.

 

[Hot Topic]

Someone so traumatized by the incident that they're talking about it years later would have filed an official complaint against the officers. He or she would have contacted the local media to alert them about police brutality. He or she would have explored the possibility of taking legal action.

You write like someone who always looks for someone else to blame when they screw up. You were a loser then. You're a loser now.

 

[CdwJava]

I understand.. But being able to close my windows so I wouldn't freeze, would be a good enough reason to keep them in the ignition. Would have been courteous of him to let me close them at least. I wonder if I asked to close the window, what would be his response.. He knew what he was doing, IMO.

And if he DID do it to screw with you, it is still a personnel issue. As long as what he did was lawful and caused you no real harm, it would be tough to articulate any potential civil claim in such a situation. But, as it is a few years old, it is really a moot issue anyway.

 

[xylene]

I understand.. But being able to close my windows so I wouldn't freeze, would be a good enough reason to keep them in the ignition. Would have been courteous of him to let me close them at least. I wonder if I asked to close the window, what would be his response.. He knew what he was doing, IMO.

You are a putz.

"I was cold... my windows..."

The officer had NO OBLIGATION to be 'courteous'

Man up.

If you hadn't been a weiner with the being mouthy, then none of this had happened.

What is something wrong with you that you can't stand being COLD.

Awww... Poor Charles Bronsen...

 

[Charles Bronsen]

Someone so traumatized by the incident that they're talking about it years later would have filed an official complaint against the officers. He or she would have contacted the local media to alert them about police brutality. He or she would have explored the possibility of taking legal action.

You write like someone who always looks for someone else to blame when they screw up. You were a loser then. You're a loser now.

I wasn't traumitized enough, to do anything about it because I did give up my keys. But if I didn't, I may have been.

If I know Im wrong, which I usually do, I will admit it. I didn't desearve that from the officer. I said what I said to him in a respectful tone while starting the car. Obviously civilians to him are rodents who must bow down.

Lol, Im a loser? What else you got e-thug?

And if he DID do it to screw with you, it is still a personnel issue. As long as what he did was lawful and caused you no real harm, it would be tough to articulate any potential civil claim in such a situation. But, as it is a few years old, it is really a moot issue anyway.

Yeah I hear ya. It just didn't become such an issue with me. But I was just interested in general, cause I was thinking about any legal questions I was always baffeled with through out my life. Of course the internet wannabe bullies wanna jump in and spoil it for me. Really sad... They should try and abuse themselves instead of me. Which Im sure they do already deep down inside. You can just feel the anger and hate in their writings. lol

You are a putz.

"I was cold... my windows..."

The officer had NO OBLIGATION to be 'courteous'

Man up.

If you hadn't been a weiner with the being mouthy, then none of this had happened.

What is something wrong with you that you can't stand being COLD.

Awww... Poor Charles Bronsen...

Haha, poor Charles Bronsen! That was cute. Why did the officer have no obligation to be courteous? It is written with big bold letters on their patrol cars you shmuck! Am I wrong? I didn't disrespect him for him to act the way he did.

I can't stand being cold? Who the hell said anything about not standing it? The principle is that he wanted my keys so I wouldn't be able to close them in the first place cause he was a peice of you know what. Just like you apparently. Band wagon jumper..