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tpcslj47

Junior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Nevada (offender in Oregon)

A friend of mine had their facebook account hacked. We know who it was, because they changed the log in e-mail briefly to an e-mail we know is theirs. Also, they copied very private messages and posted them on their wall.

This is information that she did not want shared with anyone, obviously, and it is now on this other girl's wall, and a bunch of people are all attacking her about it.

The account was of course logged in to without permission. They used to be friends, had a falling out a while ago, and have not spoken in many months, perhaps over a year. Is there any legal recourse to take here? My friend's reputation has been damaged and privacy horribly invaded. Thank you.
 


Proserpina

Senior Member
What damages has your friend suffered?

What PROOF do you have other than "We know who it is because...."?

And why doesn't your friend simply close the account and start over? :confused:
 

tpcslj47

Junior Member
What damages has your friend suffered?

What PROOF do you have other than "We know who it is because...."?

And why doesn't your friend simply close the account and start over? :confused:

Invasion of privacy...posting things of an extremely private nature publicly for all to see, that no one has the right to know about. For this reason, I cannot go into what exactly was shared.


I believe you may be mistaken and think the messages were posted on my friend's wall, by recommending "starting over". They are on the other girls page. She copied entire conversations and posted them publicly on her own page. That alone is proof enough that she hacked the account, as the conversations were private messages and they are word for word replicas of the conversations. So making a new account solves nothing, the messages will still be there. We have already reported the matter to Facebook and are waiting for a response/for them to take down the messages.


Also, I am sure facebook logs the IP address when an account is logged in to, and it would be on record via facebook as being logged in to from the other girl's IP address.


Here are some other similar cases I was able to find, in case this is helpful for you. (The first one is this, re-posted)


Can charges be pressed against someone for hacking someone else's facebook, signing in without permission, and sharing private.. - Avvo.com


Someone hacked into 2 of my email accounts and my facebook account and changed all my passwords. - Avvo.com


Is it illegal to hack into someones facebook account? - Avvo.com


could I face criminal or civil action if I were to hack personal information from Facebook, although I did nothing with it? - Avvo.com


Ty for the responses.
 
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Proserpina

Senior Member
Invasion of privacy...posting things of an extremely private nature publicly for all to see, that no one has the right to know about. For this reason, I cannot go into what exactly was shared.


Of course.


I believe you may be mistaken and think the messages were posted on my friend's wall, by recommending "starting over". They are on the other girls page. She copied entire conversations and posted them publicly on her own page. That alone is proof enough that she hacked the account, as the conversations were private messages and they are word for word replicas of the conversations.

That is not proof that someone - anyone - hacked into anything.

Heck, it could be something so simple as say..me forwarding a PM conversation to an uninvolved third party. Jeez, she could have left the room and still have been logged in...see where I'm going with this?

So making a new account solves nothing, the messages will still be there. We have already reported the matter to Facebook and are waiting for a response/for them to take down the messages.

That's likely not going to happen. Unless the OG Factor comes into play.


Also, I am sure facebook logs the IP address when an account is logged in to, and it would be on record via facebook as being logged in to from the other girl's IP address.


Um...I log into all (at least three) Facebook accounts via various computers at different times from different locations. What's your point?

How does that prove any wrongdoing?




Thanks for the educational information.

Really.
 

tpcslj47

Junior Member
Of course.




That is not proof that someone - anyone - hacked into anything.

Heck, it could be something so simple as say..me forwarding a PM conversation to an uninvolved third party. Jeez, she could have left the room and still have been logged in...see where I'm going with this?



That's likely not going to happen. Unless the OG Factor comes into play.





Um...I log into all (at least three) Facebook accounts via various computers at different times from different locations. What's your point?

How does that prove any wrongdoing?





Thanks for the educational information.

Really.


Are your responses always so contrived and sarcastic? How is this of any help to me at all? It seems all you are doing is trying to insult and offend me. I don't understand why...but if that is your intention then you can please just stop posting.

Anyway...it absolutely is proof. There is no way else for them to have attained the conversations. Unless yea some "3rd party" hacked the account only to send the messages to her who then posts them on her wall...makes soo much sense. The logged IP of course would disprove the possibility of this incredibly far fetched claim however.

And they live over 1000 miles away...so all this talk about them being in the same room, and you logging in from various locations...has absolutely zero merit of any kind. Try reading the original post, and actually absorbing all of the information. See where I'm going with this?

If her IP was logged, it sure would be tough for my friend to have traveled 1,000 miles just to log in from her computer which is in a house she has never even stepped foot in. Are you thinking about anything you are writing with any logic whatsoever?

You really are just making this website look bad with the tone and lack of effort or intelligence in your poorly thought out and written responses. If you actually took the time to look at the links, you would see what kind of responses people who actually have some sort of idea what they are talking about give.
 

Proserpina

Senior Member
Are your responses always so contrived and sarcastic? How is this of any help to me at all? It seems all you are doing is trying to insult and offend me. I don't understand why...but if that is your intention then you can please just stop posting.

Anyway...it absolutely is proof. There is no way else for them to have attained the conversations. Unless yea some "3rd party" hacked the account only to send the messages to her who then posts them on her wall...makes soo much sense. The logged IP of course would disprove the possibility of this incredibly far fetched claim however.

And they live over 1000 miles away...so all this talk about them being in the same room, and you logging in from various locations...has absolutely zero merit of any kind. Try reading the original post, and actually absorbing all of the information. See where I'm going with this?

If her IP was logged, it sure would be tough for my friend to have traveled 1,000 miles just to log in from her computer which is in a house she has never even stepped foot in. Are you thinking about anything you are writing with any logic whatsoever?

You really are just making this website look bad with the tone and lack of effort or intelligence in your poorly thought out and written responses. If you actually took the time to look at the links, you would see what kind of responses people who actually have some sort of idea what they are talking about give.



...and again, what are her actual - tangible - damages?
 

tpcslj47

Junior Member
...and again, what are her actual - tangible - damages?

Thanks for contributing absolutely nothing. I'll just hope someone else knowledgeable with perhaps some common sense comes along.


You really should not be in the internet law forum. You don't seem very well versed in the complex workings of the web. :)
 

csi7

Senior Member
Your friend needs to block the other user from her account.
Your friend needs to report the other user to facebook.
Your friend can set up a new facebook account.
Distance for internet service is different than land mass distance, so that doesn't provide evidence of criminal or civil law violations.
Senior members are asking questions to get the facts.
 

tpcslj47

Junior Member
Your friend needs to block the other user from her account.
Your friend needs to report the other user to facebook.
Your friend can set up a new facebook account.
Distance for internet service is different than land mass distance, so that doesn't provide evidence of criminal or civil law violations.
Senior members are asking questions to get the facts.

...sigh. As already stated, a new facebook account accomplishes literally nothing. "Blocking the other user from her account" also does nothing. In fact the other user has been blocked for over a year now. So it seems you too have reading comprehension issues, as well as an inability to understand how facebook works.

The distance issue was simply to explain to the previous poster why the points he brought up were moot. It would probably be best to just close this thread down. It is becoming apparent to me that no one here really has a good grasp of this issue, or the workings of the internet, despite this being the internet law forum. Also the members have a tendency to be quite juvenile in their approach. So I think I will stick with the other website from now on, where the replies are concise, helpful, and reference the actual applicable laws.

Thanks.
 

quincy

Senior Member
It appears, tpcslj47, that your question was mostly answered on the other site and that, by contacting Facebook, your friend has already followed at least some of the advice offered.

What was not addressed on the other site was invasion of privacy and, for that, an answer to Proserpina's question would have been helpful (which is why Proserpina inquired a couple of times of you about the damages suffered by your friend).

As you have already been informed through your research, hacking is illegal, and copying another's written expressions without permission could be considered infringement.

The hacking is handled by filing a complaint with the police and/or with the local FBI field office. It is relatively easy for someone to hack into a computer (as evidenced by the hacking of Sarah Palin and John McCain's email accounts and the hacking of Bill O'Reilly's website). While hacking can be charged as a felony under state laws, a hacker must first be identified, caught, and (generally) be in the same state as the "hackee," unless jurisdiction over the hacker can be established in the hackee's home state.

The infringement of copyrights, the copyrights of which would be held in the writings of private messages that were communicated and then republished without consent, can be handled through the filing of a DMCA take-down notice. You can google "Digital Millennium Copyright Act" for information on how to file a complaint or go to the U.S. Copyright Office's official website at http://www.copyright.gov.

If what was published about your friend can be seen as highly offensive or sensitive in nature to a "reasonable" person, and the information is of no public interest or concern, your friend could additionally seek out the advice of an attorney in her area about an invasion of privacy/publication of private facts civil tort action. Although invasion of privacy is also covered under state criminal laws, there are specific elements involved with criminal invasion of privacy that do not seem to be present here (although a review of what exactly was published about your friend would be needed to determine this).

Whether a civil invasion of privacy action filed against the hacker would be worth the time and high expense of pursuing would be contingent on all of the facts and largely determined by the extent of economic and/or reputational injury (damages) suffered by your friend that can be directly attributed to the publication online of the private information (which, again, goes to the question asked of you by Proserpina).

Then there can also be problems establishing liability in an invasion of privacy/publication of private facts. Liability is often demonstrated by how private these facts actually are, in addition to how these facts were obtained.

Your friend first of all made a common error. She assumed, wrongly, that private information communicated in any form on the internet will remain private. The ONLY way to ensure private facts remain private is to not communicate them to others at all. Then, if communicating these facts are, for some reason, necessary, they should be communicated through either secured channels or with an express agreement with the person receiving the information that the information will remain confidential. Once communicated, there is never a guarantee that the information will remain private. Your friend essentially made the private facts "public" by revealing these private facts to another.

Your friend may wish to consult with an attorney in Nevada. The attorney can review exactly what was published and can review all of the facts of the matter and can give your friend a better idea of whether pursuing a civil action against a person located in Oregon would be worth it. This would not be an inexpensive pursuit, by the way - think multi-thousands of dollars. The damages suffered by your friend (again, a response to Proserpina's question would have been helpful ;)) will help your friend determine whether it is worth these costs.
 
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