Silverplum
Senior Member
How does humiliating and demoralising a criminal benefit society?
That's whole 'nother topic of discussion, ain't it, sport?

How does humiliating and demoralising a criminal benefit society?
I also acknowledge that when she broke the law she lost alot of her rights, but I find it hard to understand how humiliation and bruising ones dignity is acceptable treatment of even the most heinous criminals.
Both actually - there are many facilities where there is the usual line of urinals, and stalls.
So, a woman can walk into the facility and see lots of pee-pees before she finds a stall for herself.
She can choose to close the door - or not.
(I realize this does go against the general state of affairs in the US)
It is simply a necessary action given the situation.
Are you of the opinion that public restrooms should all be unisex?
That's whole 'nother topic of discussion, ain't it, sport?
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(3) Searches of this type will always be performed
discreetly, in a private area away from others, and by staff
members adequately trained to perform the test. Whenever
possible, urinalysis tests will be conducted by staff members
of the same sex as the non-inmate being tested. Urinalysis
tests may be conducted by staff members of the opposite sex
only in emergency situations with the Warden’s authorization.
http://www.bop.gov/policy/progstat/5510_012.pdf
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It is because exactly what I have been speaking of; methods to cheat the test.=CreativeBlock;2765995]I find it a bit hard to believe that, considering the flux of sexual harassment training (and complaints that abound) employees receive, that he would have directed her to "open her legs" so he could "see her stream."
I could be wrong, however.![]()
it was simply to be assured the person was not using a hidden bag with a hose filled with somebody else's clean urine.OP, how SURE are you that this occurred? How SURE are you that this wasn't simply hyperbole expressed by your friend to make the situation either more dire or more provocative?
I find it a bit hard to believe that, considering the flux of sexual harassment training (and complaints that abound) employees receive, that he would have directed her to "open her legs" so he could "see her stream."
I could be wrong, however.
OP, how SURE are you that this occurred? How SURE are you that this wasn't simply hyperbole expressed by your friend to make the situation either more dire or more provocative?
it was simply to be assured the person was not using a hidden bag with a hose filled with somebody else's clean urine.
Sorry folks but that's life when you break the law. Expect to be poked, prodded, felt, and watched closer than your spouse ever has.
well, your dignity is one of the first things to go. Whether it be a full on cavity search when entering the jail (with no respect for gender of searcher or searchee) to being on camera 100% of the time when in many jails; You lose all rights to privacy.
The observation is not intended to humiliate anybody. The truth is; without full on physical observation, there are means to cheat on the tests.
It is simply a necessary action given the situation.
By someone of the opposite sex?
the necessary action? You mean the spread wider so the observer can view the stream?Good point.
I do not disagree with the physical observation. What I disagree with is the neccessary action given the situation.
This program is set up to give numerous drug tests every day. Shouldn't they be equipped every day with male and female administers of the drug test?
Because the Federal Bureau of Prisons has decided that same-sex observations are a good idea. That is a policy, not a law, and that is a policy of an organization other than your friend's local probation office.If not cruel and unusual punishment, why is this clause neccessary?
That depends ... do they have the staff to do so? Are there sufficient female officers to allow them to take sick time, vacation s, etc., and still have female staffing? What if no females apply or are hired?This program is set up to give numerous drug tests every day. Shouldn't they be equipped every day with male and female administers of the drug test?
Oh, I could tell you stories ...justalayman said:Without that, a bag of urine can be concealed and a tube can be hidden in the crevices and folds so it appears the woman is expelling the urine. The observer needs to be certain that is not the situation.