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rentalblind

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What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)?

PA

I have 3 spare bedrooms in my house, I called township and spoke to code enforcement officer. In one breath he said I couldnt rent out my rooms because I live in a single family zone. I said you mean to tell me I can't rent out a room to a friend or two and he said I could but if there were problems and someone called on me they would find out.

I did some basic research on the towns codes and want to legally do things the right way but he recommended I not request that my area be re-zoned and that it would cost 1500. I also searched craigslist and saw about 100 of my neighbors doing the same thing soooooo....

From what I gather a single family residence is defined as by "family"

From the town's code defining family

One or more persons related by blood, marriage or adoption and, in addition, any domestic servants or gratuitous guests thereof, occupying a dwelling and living as a single housekeeping unit with single culinary facilities with no more than one boarder, roomer or lodger.

I am recently divorced and can handle the house on my own but I won't be able to eat or have any fun etc..... so what's the point. I can't sell at this time either....

I guess the town is concerned with me turning the house into a boarding or rooming house but when I searched the definition of that it states:

ROOMER, BOARDER, OR LODGER
A person occupying any room or group of rooms forming a single habitable unit used or intended to be used for living and sleeping, but not for cooking or eating purposes, and paying compensation for lodging or board and lodging by prearrangement for a week or more at a time to an owner or operator. Any person occupying such a room or rooms and paying such compensation without prearrangement for less than a week at a time shall be classified for purposes of this chapter not as a roomer, boarder, or lodger but as a guest of a commercial lodging establishment (motel, hotel, tourist home).

ROOMING, BOARDING, OR LODGING HOUSE
A building or part of a building (other than an institutional building) occupied or intended to be occupied by two or more roomers, boarders, or lodgers.


My roomates will have full access to house including eating and cooking etc.. BAsed on the defintion it sounds like a roomer or boarder only has access to one room for living and sleeping. Laws are made to be interpreted broadly so how should I interpret this? thanks
 


Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)?

PA

I have 3 spare bedrooms in my house, I called township and spoke to code enforcement officer. In one breath he said I couldnt rent out my rooms because I live in a single family zone. I said you mean to tell me I can't rent out a room to a friend or two and he said I could but if there were problems and someone called on me they would find out.

I did some basic research on the towns codes and want to legally do things the right way but he recommended I not request that my area be re-zoned and that it would cost 1500. I also searched craigslist and saw about 100 of my neighbors doing the same thing soooooo....

From what I gather a single family residence is defined as by "family"

From the town's code defining family

One or more persons related by blood, marriage or adoption and, in addition, any domestic servants or gratuitous guests thereof, occupying a dwelling and living as a single housekeeping unit with single culinary facilities with no more than one boarder, roomer or lodger.

I am recently divorced and can handle the house on my own but I won't be able to eat or have any fun etc..... so what's the point. I can't sell at this time either....

I guess the town is concerned with me turning the house into a boarding or rooming house but when I searched the definition of that it states:

ROOMER, BOARDER, OR LODGER
A person occupying any room or group of rooms forming a single habitable unit used or intended to be used for living and sleeping, but not for cooking or eating purposes, and paying compensation for lodging or board and lodging by prearrangement for a week or more at a time to an owner or operator. Any person occupying such a room or rooms and paying such compensation without prearrangement for less than a week at a time shall be classified for purposes of this chapter not as a roomer, boarder, or lodger but as a guest of a commercial lodging establishment (motel, hotel, tourist home).

ROOMING, BOARDING, OR LODGING HOUSE
A building or part of a building (other than an institutional building) occupied or intended to be occupied by two or more roomers, boarders, or lodgers.


My roomates will have full access to house including eating and cooking etc.. BAsed on the defintion it sounds like a roomer or boarder only has access to one room for living and sleeping. Laws are made to be interpreted broadly so how should I interpret this? thanks

Your neighborhood is not zoned to allow boarding houses...
 

rentalblind

Junior Member
Doesn't look like it is strictly enforced however. I read it to take a boarding house as only sleeping in a room with no access to kitchen and/or eating.... I also read that many courts have sided with the homeowner on this issue. There are ways around everything. Legally I can have 1 roomate, I suppose the other one can be a servant and another one can be a lover.... :D
 

HomeGuru

Senior Member
Doesn't look like it is strictly enforced however. I read it to take a boarding house as only sleeping in a room with no access to kitchen and/or eating.... I also read that many courts have sided with the homeowner on this issue. There are ways around everything. Legally I can have 1 roomate, I suppose the other one can be a servant and another one can be a lover.... :D

**A: I agree to that and maybe the lover can also be the domestic servant.
 

rentalblind

Junior Member
**A: I agree to that and maybe the lover can also be the domestic servant.

HA HA HOME, I like your thinking. but I have 3 rooms so I would need 2 lovers who can be also be servants...., Maybe I should target gay lovers, I highly doubt the township would want to get involved in a homosexual triangle of housing discriminination...:eek:
 

HomeGuru

Senior Member
HA HA HOME, I like your thinking. but I have 3 rooms so I would need 2 lovers who can be also be servants...., Maybe I should target gay lovers, I highly doubt the township would want to get involved in a homosexual triangle of housing discriminination...:eek:

**A: reality tv show.
 

Gail in Georgia

Senior Member
You'd not be related to these folks by blood or marriage (and a lover doesn't count as either) and I doubt you're going to adopt any of your tenants...in addition, if push comes to shove YOU pay a servant, NOT the other 'way round.

Gail
 

rentalblind

Junior Member
You'd not be related to these folks by blood or marriage (and a lover doesn't count as either) and I doubt you're going to adopt any of your tenants...in addition, if push comes to shove YOU pay a servant, NOT the other 'way round.

Gail

If push comes to shove, I double the rent to $1000 and offer to pay them $500 a month for taking the trash out, thus making them my trash servant.

The definition of family has changed over time. NO different from 3 brothers living in a house together and each having their own car as opposed to 3 strangers living together each having their own car. Since the big deal about most of this is street congestion...

Time to start thinking out of the box!
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
If push comes to shove, I double the rent to $1000 and offer to pay them $500 a month for taking the trash out, thus making them my trash servant.

The definition of family has changed over time. NO different from 3 brothers living in a house together and each having their own car as opposed to 3 strangers living together each having their own car. Since the big deal about most of this is street congestion...

Time to start thinking out of the box!

Good luck - you're obviously just trying to circumvent the law. No respectable member of this forum will help you in that regard.
 

Gail in Georgia

Senior Member
"Time to start thinking out of the box!"

In other words, "how about some information on how I can get around this current code against rooming houses in my neck of the woods".

No thanks....

Gail
 

rentalblind

Junior Member
Good luck - you're obviously just trying to circumvent the law. No respectable member of this forum will help you in that regard.

Was it not once illegal for women to vote? As times change, laws and even tiny little zoning ordinances may need to be changed or challenged and it's only an issue if someone complains.. People circumvent the law every day. Why should celebrities and politicians only have that luxury.



The only chance women have for justice in this country is to violate the law"...
Susan B. Anthony
 

rentalblind

Junior Member
"Time to start thinking out of the box!"

In other words, "how about some information on how I can get around this current code against rooming houses in my neck of the woods".

No thanks....

Gail


A real attorney interprets a code, or statute to his or her advantage then fills in the blanks later.... If there is a will there is a way!
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
A real attorney interprets a code, or statute to his or her advantage then fills in the blanks later.... If there is a will there is a way!

A real attorney will also tell you when you are attempting to do something illegal. Heck, a real attorney has the ethical duty to NOT help you break the law.

In any case...if you are so sure of what a REAL attorney does, feel free to go pay REAL money to a REAL attorney.
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
Was it not once illegal for women to vote? As times change, laws and even tiny little zoning ordinances may need to be changed or challenged and it's only an issue if someone complains.. People circumvent the law every day. Why should celebrities and politicians only have that luxury.



The only chance women have for justice in this country is to violate the law"...
Susan B. Anthony

Oh BROTHER (or, would SISTER be more appropriate?) :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

rentalblind

Junior Member
A real attorney will also tell you when you are attempting to do something illegal. Heck, a real attorney has the ethical duty to NOT help you break the law.

In any case...if you are so sure of what a REAL attorney does, feel free to go pay REAL money to a REAL attorney.

Zig. I get your point and I was going to go the legal route and pay $1500 to file an app for rezoning my house. When code enforcement heard me say that, he changed his tune and said you can do whatever you want but essentially dont' let us find out or get lot's of complaints.....

When you think of a family unit. the definition has changed. I have no problem with limiting the amount of people in a house to some degree if it's a congestion or safety issue but My thought still stands.

No difference between 3 related brothers and 3 unrelated brothers.... I am a sister lol btw, a freedom fighting sister!!!
 
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