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Wants to rent out vacant rooms but town says.....
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rentalblind
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CHAPTER 20. TENEMENT, LODGING AND
BOARDING HOUSES
Boarding house—A building or portion of a building occupied for human habitation in which five or more persons, not related to the proprietor or manager, are furnished with meals and lodging.
Lodging house—A building or portion thereof in which five or more persons, not related to the proprietor or manager, are furnished with sleeping accommodations and shall include rooming houses, bachelor apartments, dormitories, barracks, bunk houses and other kinds of buildings used to furnish sleeping accommodations.
So PA code says 5 or more unrelated persons but town says 1? Who overrides who here??? See why I am confused...
BOARDING HOUSES
Boarding house—A building or portion of a building occupied for human habitation in which five or more persons, not related to the proprietor or manager, are furnished with meals and lodging.
Lodging house—A building or portion thereof in which five or more persons, not related to the proprietor or manager, are furnished with sleeping accommodations and shall include rooming houses, bachelor apartments, dormitories, barracks, bunk houses and other kinds of buildings used to furnish sleeping accommodations.
So PA code says 5 or more unrelated persons but town says 1? Who overrides who here??? See why I am confused...
rentalblind
Junior Member
Great thanks. I will not upset the moral people on this site any further but in all honesty, the law seems kinda outdated considering the way people co-habitat today. Nevertheless, I understand your old school ways..
Zigner
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Great thanks. I will not upset the moral people on this site any further but in all honesty, the law seems kinda outdated considering the way people co-habitat today. Nevertheless, I understand your old school ways..
It ain't my town buddy.
Gail in Georgia
Senior Member
Nor mine either.
And we're not talking about a co-habitation issue here. We're talking about you wanting to rent out rooms to others, either for a profit or to help with your expenses... and the area you live in not allowing boarding house situations.
I'm not certain why this suddenly disintegrated into a "woman's rights" issue but you just go ahead and do what you believe you can get away with.
Gail
And we're not talking about a co-habitation issue here. We're talking about you wanting to rent out rooms to others, either for a profit or to help with your expenses... and the area you live in not allowing boarding house situations.
I'm not certain why this suddenly disintegrated into a "woman's rights" issue but you just go ahead and do what you believe you can get away with.
Gail
rentalblind
Junior Member
Yes, It is co-habitation...... I want to rent out a room with full access to the house.
I want to share my good fortune with the less fortunate..... and cover some of my expenses at the same time as well..... The only difference between me and my neighbors is that I am not related to the people. Big whoopie doo....
I don't see why everyone's getting their panties in a bunch. If a town cannot restrict sex offenders then they should not be able to restrict 4 law abiding adults who are not related from living together... Have a nice day. and I am quite sure people are doing this in your town
The legal thing to do is make efforts to change laws that the community does not agree with, rather than join those breaking the law. At present time, they probably risk fines. Those neighbors are probably willing to take your side in a petition or vote.
Keep in mind you might have 900 neighbors opposed to it, probably for the parking issues you mentioned.
**A: my comment: GET REAL.
Gail in Georgia
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"I don't see why everyone's getting their panties in a bunch. "
Because you have already posted that contacting Code Enforcement to find out if this is legal has indicated that it is not (except for one roommate) and yet you've spent an enormous amount of time trying to convince us that you can, somehow, get around the current family zoning restriction without paying the $1500 to change this.
It all comes down to a matter of "rights". You perceive that it's your right to rent out rooms in your house to help you with your expenses because "lots" of others are doing the same thing. Your neighbors may feel it's their "right" to reside in an area zoned only for family housing and that turning the area into rental units can lower the value of their property (which, unfortunately, it often can).
If you go ahead and do this and a neighbor complains to Code Enforcement, your noble argument that you're doing this to share your "good fortune with the less fortunate" will bring a chuckle (and likely a fine) from them.
Frankly, unless those of us posting here happen to work in your Code Enforcement office, we really don't care what you do.
"Have a nice day. and I am quite sure people are doing this in your town"
Likely so since we don't have these same restrictions as yours does.
Gail
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Because you have already posted that contacting Code Enforcement to find out if this is legal has indicated that it is not (except for one roommate) and yet you've spent an enormous amount of time trying to convince us that you can, somehow, get around the current family zoning restriction without paying the $1500 to change this.
It all comes down to a matter of "rights". You perceive that it's your right to rent out rooms in your house to help you with your expenses because "lots" of others are doing the same thing. Your neighbors may feel it's their "right" to reside in an area zoned only for family housing and that turning the area into rental units can lower the value of their property (which, unfortunately, it often can).
If you go ahead and do this and a neighbor complains to Code Enforcement, your noble argument that you're doing this to share your "good fortune with the less fortunate" will bring a chuckle (and likely a fine) from them.
Frankly, unless those of us posting here happen to work in your Code Enforcement office, we really don't care what you do.
"Have a nice day. and I am quite sure people are doing this in your town"
Likely so since we don't have these same restrictions as yours does.
Gail
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**A: nice.
rentalblind
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Ha ha Ha. First off, I was willing to pay the $1500 to file an application for rezoning Gail, Get a Qtip and clean out your ears or put on your glasses and read.
Once the Code En. Officer heard me say that, he changed his tune and recommended I not do that and that as long as they get no complaints then it shouldnt be a problem. that comment just set off something in my head, like ok it's not legal on the books so they are gonna overlook it unless it becomes an issue type of thing. Made me wonder.
The problem lies with the definition of a FAMILY, nothing more...... When I was married, I had 4 cars on street, (congestion issues) me, husband and 2 adult kids. No difference, if I have 3 other grown responsible adults. I get it, single family zone. They don't want parties, etc.....
These codes were written in the 60's. Families have come a long long way. Hell, I'd trust a stranger before I'd trust some of the family I've encountered over the years.
Sorry but the Brady Bunch days are over people. Get off your high horses.
Yes, I can legally have one roomer, but the law is wrong not I,
JDW, thanks for your insight. Unfortunately, many people are too apathetic to make any changes or even answer the door in this day and age.. I'll get creative if I have to
Once the Code En. Officer heard me say that, he changed his tune and recommended I not do that and that as long as they get no complaints then it shouldnt be a problem. that comment just set off something in my head, like ok it's not legal on the books so they are gonna overlook it unless it becomes an issue type of thing. Made me wonder.
The problem lies with the definition of a FAMILY, nothing more...... When I was married, I had 4 cars on street, (congestion issues) me, husband and 2 adult kids. No difference, if I have 3 other grown responsible adults. I get it, single family zone. They don't want parties, etc.....
These codes were written in the 60's. Families have come a long long way. Hell, I'd trust a stranger before I'd trust some of the family I've encountered over the years.
Sorry but the Brady Bunch days are over people. Get off your high horses.
Yes, I can legally have one roomer, but the law is wrong not I,
JDW, thanks for your insight. Unfortunately, many people are too apathetic to make any changes or even answer the door in this day and age.. I'll get creative if I have to
Ha ha Ha. First off, I was willing to pay the $1500 to file an application for rezoning Gail, Get a Qtip and clean out your ears or put on your glasses and read.
Once the Code En. Officer heard me say that, he changed his tune and recommended I not do that and that as long as they get no complaints then it shouldnt be a problem. that comment just set off something in my head, like ok it's not legal on the books so they are gonna overlook it unless it becomes an issue type of thing. Made me wonder.
The problem lies with the definition of a FAMILY, nothing more...... When I was married, I had 4 cars on street, (congestion issues) me, husband and 2 adult kids. No difference, if I have 3 other grown responsible adults. I get it, single family zone. They don't want parties, etc.....
These codes were written in the 60's. Families have come a long long way. Hell, I'd trust a stranger before I'd trust some of the family I've encountered over the years.
Sorry but the Brady Bunch days are over people. Get off your high horses.
Yes, I can legally have one roomer, but the law is wrong not I,
JDW, thanks for your insight. Unfortunately, many people are too apathetic to make any changes or even answer the door in this day and age.. I'll get creative if I have to
**A: I find this really entertaining. Ok, good luck to you and be sure to answer the door when you hear the knocking. It could be code enforcement.
rentalblind
Junior Member
I should have been a comedian I tell you, but I will gladly open the door for the Code Enforcement officer when he comes a knocking. Im sure he will be very pleased when I have two roommates who are on SSDI with disabilities. Go ahead bring it on little township. Im sure the Fair Housing Act and the ADA would love to join my circus.
Sincerely,
The ringmaster
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