Signature/Date Required for Electronic W9 Submission?

[davew128]

I'm not quite sure what you are asking, but, until all of the paperwork is in order, they do not participate in the business. (so no contract work is done)

How's that working out for you?

Put in perspective, I've never had a tax firm ask me for proof of identity or anything else beyond filling out a W-9 as an outside contractor. 1) It's not required. 2) It's insulting.

 

[tranquility]

How's that working out for you?

Put in perspective, I've never had a tax firm ask me for proof of identity or anything else beyond filling out a W-9 as an outside contractor. 1) It's not required. 2) It's insulting.

My guess, and it's only a guess, is that the business is a web based business where the he hires, excuse me, "contracts" with people to do something for clients he links with them through his centralized site. I believe he said there is "an exchange of ideas and thoughts between the customers and the contractors". I bet he takes credit cards from the customers and pays the contractors for the exchange. It is VERY IMPORTANT that his "contractors" are over 18 and that's why he needs proof of identity. His customers and "contractors" are scattered around the U.S.

I think he has a few issues he needs to sit down with a good tax guy with beyond the requirements of the W-9.

 

[mmmagique]

You do realize you are hijacking OP's thread?

Yes. I did not mean to. All I meant to do was to offer advice. (and then to answer the questions/thoughts that were directed to me)

 

[mmmagique]

My guess, and it's only a guess, is that the business is a web based business where the he hires, excuse me, "contracts" with people to do something for clients he links with them through his centralized site. I believe he said there is "an exchange of ideas and thoughts between the customers and the contractors". I bet he takes credit cards from the customers and pays the contractors for the exchange. It is VERY IMPORTANT that his "contractors" are over 18 and that's why he needs proof of identity. His customers and "contractors" are scattered around the U.S.

I think he has a few issues he needs to sit down with a good tax guy with beyond the requirements of the W-9.

I am a lady.

I have owned my business for several (over 5) years. The IRS has never had an issue (so far) with any tax issues on my part. That can of course, always change.

I have a very good accountant, and I'm considering a few different attorneys at this time.

 

[mmmagique]

How's that working out for you?

Put in perspective, I've never had a tax firm ask me for proof of identity or anything else beyond filling out a W-9 as an outside contractor. 1) It's not required. 2) It's insulting.

Well Dave, so far, it's working out great. They sign the contract, and give me the forms I need to prove they are who they claim to be, and they come to work. If they choose not to, well, it wasn't meant to be. I do this for their protection as well as mine.

 

[davew128]

Well Dave, so far, it's working out great. They sign the contract, and give me the forms I need to prove they are who they claim to be, and they come to work. If they choose not to, well, it wasn't meant to be. I do this for their protection as well as mine.

Calling BS here. I know enough people at both IRS and ICE who would tell you exactly why you're full of it, mostly because they aren't employees and since you're doing it remotely, could very well be complicit in identity theft.

 

[tranquility]

Calling BS here. I know enough people at both IRS and ICE who would tell you exactly why you're full of it, mostly because they aren't employees and since you're doing it remotely, could very well be complicit in identity theft.

She has a duty to make sure her not employees are over 18 because of the constraints against child pornography laws. (Again, just guessing.)

 

[mmmagique]

I meant to quote Dave's post, but it ended up quoting my post instead...

How in the world could I be "complicit in identity theft" if I do not steal their identities? (I would never do such a thing) and I keep my work files in a safe place away from anyone who could/would steal their identities?

 

[davew128]

How in the world could I be "complicit in identity theft" if I do not steal their identities? (I would never do such a thing) and I keep my work files in a safe place away from anyone who could/would steal their identities?

I suggest you stop looking at the world with blinders on.

 

[mmmagique]

I suggest you stop looking at the world with blinders on.

Ok, first, that makes no sense regarding what we are discussing. Secondly, it's not remotely helpful. Please give me the same respect I have given to you.

If you have a suggestion regarding how I can meet the legal requirements in some other fashion, please share. I'm here not only to help when I can, but I am also open to good (and legally sound) suggestions.

 

[davew128]

Ok, first, that makes no sense regarding what we are discussing. Secondly, it's not remotely helpful. Please give me the same respect I have given to you.

If you have a suggestion regarding how I can meet the legal requirements in some other fashion, please share. I'm here not only to help when I can, but I am also open to good (and legally sound) suggestions.

There is no legal TAX requirement for what you are doing. If there is some OTHER LEGAL reason, then all you've done is get copies of forms of ID from people you haven't met and can't verify that they are who they say they are. This why when hiring an employee you verify the actual physical documents (and BTW you're not legally REQUIRED to make copies of them). All you've done is gotten copies transmitted to you. Think Capital One commercial with the phone rep answering in Russia.

 

[tranquility]

There is no legal TAX requirement for what you are doing. If there is some OTHER LEGAL reason, then all you've done is get copies of forms of ID from people you haven't met and can't verify that they are who they say they are. This why when hiring an employee you verify the actual physical documents (and BTW you're not legally REQUIRED to make copies of them). All you've done is gotten copies transmitted to you. Think Capital One commercial with the phone rep answering in Russia.

Hmmm....good point. Sounds like she might have a problem. Especially since the intent requirement of the statute does not have to do with the under age portion, but the transmitted portion.

USC › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 110 › § 2251

18 USC § 2251 - Sexual exploitation of children

(a) Any person who employs, uses, persuades, induces, entices, or coerces any minor to engage in, or who has a minor assist any other person to engage in, or who transports any minor in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, or in any Territory or Possession of the United States, with the intent that such minor engage in, any sexually explicit conduct for the purpose of producing any visual depiction of such conduct or for the purpose of transmitting a live visual depiction of such conduct, shall be punished as provided under subsection (e), if such person knows or has reason to know that such visual depiction will be transported or transmitted using any means or facility of interstate or foreign commerce or in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce or mailed, if that visual depiction was produced or transmitted using materials that have been mailed, shipped, or transported in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce by any means, including by computer, or if such visual depiction has actually been transported or transmitted using any means or facility of interstate or foreign commerce or in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce or mailed.

 

[mmmagique]

I'm pretty sure that once I have their IDs, and I send their payment to their bank account which has the same name and address as their ID, I have verified that they are who they claim to be. *shrugs*

Thanks though, for caring, and for giving me the best advice you were able to.