wavehopper27
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http://newday.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/31/colorado-dad-one-step-closer-in-fight-against-ex-wife-for-daughters-in-argentina/?hpt=hp_t3
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Score 1 for the Hague Convention
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single317dad
Senior Member
That Dad already had primary physical custody of the kids is key, in my opinion. Without that, this battle would probably have been even longer and cost even more. Of course, the children have/will suffer the most.
Proserpina
Senior Member
What's going to happen when Mom disappears with the kids, in Argentina?
From what I'm reading, Argentina can't detain her (or the kids) for this; they're going to have to do what the US does. Hope to hell that she turns up as ordered, to hand over the girls.
From what I'm reading, Argentina can't detain her (or the kids) for this; they're going to have to do what the US does. Hope to hell that she turns up as ordered, to hand over the girls.
That's exactly what I was thinking. If mom has fought this hard to keep the girls away, why does anyone think she's just going to walk up and say "Oh well I lost, here are the girls packed and ready to go back to the US"?
Proserpina
Senior Member
Truly. I daren't get too excited for Dad or the kids just yet. When it happens and they're back? Then we can breathe a collective sigh of relief.
But if Argentina is behaving what happens if mom is the one who isn't? Will the US still be able to impose sanctions if the party who isn't abiding is someone Argentina can't even find?
Ohiogal
Queen Bee
With that bill, the United States could impose sanctions against the COUNTRY of Argentina until they find mom and mom gives up the children. Argentina should have an idea of whether mom is in the country or not. If the US is imposing sanctions against the country, I am sure Argentina would try to find mom ... Mom would basically become an international criminal and the whole country would be searching.
Proserpina
Senior Member
The US can do whatever it wants (and quite often does).
But I think it's incredibly naive for anyone (legislators included) to believe that threatening sanctions is suddenly going to light a fire up Argentina's bottom and get them to actually expend resources looking for an Argentine native who has physical custody of Argentine children.
Not. Gonna. Happen.
I have no doubt they'll say all the right things. But I heavily doubt that such a bill will have anything close to a positive, proactive result.
And we should probably ignore the elephant in the room (uh...hello? WE don't put that much energy into finding parents who've absconded with their kids in this country - but we're expecting the rest of the world to kowtow to our demands? That'll work well, I'm sure).
But I think it's incredibly naive for anyone (legislators included) to believe that threatening sanctions is suddenly going to light a fire up Argentina's bottom and get them to actually expend resources looking for an Argentine native who has physical custody of Argentine children.
Not. Gonna. Happen.
I have no doubt they'll say all the right things. But I heavily doubt that such a bill will have anything close to a positive, proactive result.
And we should probably ignore the elephant in the room (uh...hello? WE don't put that much energy into finding parents who've absconded with their kids in this country - but we're expecting the rest of the world to kowtow to our demands? That'll work well, I'm sure).
wavehopper27
Member
Slavery used to be legal in the U.S. too
Just becuase a country used to do some pretty bad things, it doesn't necessarily mean they still condone said activity.
Just becuase a country used to do some pretty bad things, it doesn't necessarily mean they still condone said activity.
Just Blue
Senior Member
Agreed. But we are not talking about ONE Country's Law. We are discussing a Country that has, in the recent past hid men and women (and I DO use those terms VERY loosely), from the legal systems of other Nations. IMO.
LdiJ
Senior Member
The case has reached its right and proper conclusion and I am glad that it has. However, I also cannot help feeling sorry for the children. They have lived exclusively with their mother since they were toddlers and the transition is going to be horribly hard on them...particularly since its likely that neither one of them speaks any English...or at least not much. The youngest was just 18 months or so when they left the US, and the oldest was about 3.
I am also honestly gender neutral in this. I would feel the same way if it had been dad that had absconded with them, or if they had been boys rather than girls. This is going to be traumatic for them.
Proserpina
Senior Member
Agreed. But we are not talking about ONE Country's Law. We are discussing a Country that has, in the recent past hid men and women (and I DO use those terms VERY loosely), from the legal systems of other Nations. IMO.
You must be talking about the US. Or the UK. Or most of Europe at some point. Or certain Asian nations.
(This actually illustrates my incredulity fairly well. "When In Rome" is all very well when one is in fact Roman. But non-Romans have this awkward tendency to buck Rome's authority when it suits them)
Ironic Brit is...ironic.
