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rmet4nzkx said:
It is a parenting issue in addition to a legal issue because as parents we are responsible for what our children do until they reach majority, and trust me, you and i both know they do a lot more than their parents know. How many time has he been using and selling and he is only 16? Heck in the old days they didn't have digital scales, there was a reason it was called a "Lid". 1/16 of an ounce (Lid) or a gram, no difference less than means less than. I have raised my own boys into successful adulthood, it doesn't mean it's easy nor were they perfect, except for when they were asleep, lol. I have raised a few of their friends in crisis, I have also seen some of their friends die, too many to drugs or accidents.

So it is as a parent who has been there and done that, that I encourage you to not make excuses for him, he will thank you later.

Ok but i have grasped the fact that i am responsible for my child until he/she reaches the legal age. How can i honestly tell you how many times he has sold or used marijuana? Yes it is a problem but kids are curious. He is 16, he knows right from wrong but hes still my child so im going to do whatever i can in helping him with this. In no way am i making excuses for him. Wouldnt you help your child if he/she were in the same position? Where are you getting this?

you are getting very off topic, what do you mean thats the reason they call it a "lid" MY SON WAS NOT CAUGHT WITH A 16TH of an OUNCE. he had NO marijuana. 1st of all when i said there was less than a 16th of a GRAM on my son I am saying he basically had no marijuana on him...You then said a 16th of an ounce which is 1.7 grams. YES LESS THAN MEANS LESS THAN. what exactly are you saying?

Why do some of you come on here saying WOW hes already doing this at 16? How old were you when you were first offered marijuana? 16 is a prime age to be influenced.
 


CdwJava

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Well, if it were MY boys, they'd be down at the juvenile probation office 'fessing up and working out a diversion deal as quick as we could get it done.

THEN they would be paying for their transgressions in a manner far worse than any juvenile justice system might do. I KNOW what the system is capable of, and MY punishment is far greater than anything the juvenile justice system can mete out.

Would I still love them? Absolutely. But I would hold them responsible for their actions.

And while the question was not directed at me, I'd like to answer it anyway ... I was first confronted with the choice of marijuana at age 15. I resisted it until the age of 16. And yes, it is tough to resist that peer pressure. But, there does not appear to have been any big peer group in the car ... and in MY case, I NEVER had, possessed, or used a scale.

That would be the part that would scare me the most! The potential 'sales' part of this whole equation. I can understand a joint or two ... but a container (empty or not) and a scale!? ... My boys would be wishing for juvenile hall.

Carl
 

Shay-Pari'e

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T731 said:
Ok but i have grasped the fact that i am responsible for my child until he/she reaches the legal age. How can i honestly tell you how many times he has sold or used marijuana? Yes it is a problem but kids are curious. He is 16, he knows right from wrong but hes still my child so im going to do whatever i can in helping him with this. In no way am i making excuses for him. Wouldnt you help your child if he/she were in the same position? Where are you getting this?

you are getting very off topic, what do you mean thats the reason they call it a "lid" MY SON WAS NOT CAUGHT WITH A 16TH of an OUNCE. he had NO marijuana. 1st of all when i said there was less than a 16th of a GRAM on my son I am saying he basically had no marijuana on him...You then said a 16th of an ounce which is 1.7 grams. YES LESS THAN MEANS LESS THAN. what exactly are you saying?

Why do some of you come on here saying WOW hes already doing this at 16? How old were you when you were first offered marijuana? 16 is a prime age to be influenced.


Yes, we all tried pot I'm sure, but you are not understanding the issue of him "Selling". You are correct that at 16, it is a time to be influenced, SO GO TO WORK DAD!


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(QUOTE)1st of all when i said there was less than a 16th of a GRAM on my son I am saying he basically had no marijuana on him.(QUOTE)
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Wonderful, really. :rolleyes:
 
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rmet4nzkx

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T731 said:
Ok but i have grasped the fact that i am responsible for my child until he/she reaches the legal age. And because of that you are looking for ways to diminish your responsibility, damage control and are justifying your son's actions to cut your losses, plezzzz get real, who do you think you are kidding? Do you really thing we are that stupid?

How can i honestly tell you how many times he has sold or used marijuana? It doesn't matter how many times you honestly know about, it matters that you know it happened at all, you don't get it, splitting hairs like this isn't setting a good example for your child, like Carl said his son would be down trying to work out some program and knowing that at home he was also facing some form of appropriate punishment such that they might even rather go to Juvie!

Yes it is a problem but kids are curious. "Curiousity killed the cat but satisfaction brought him back", but what about after your son has used up his 9 lives and you go and ID his lifeless, pale body on a slab? This is past the courious stage. Pleazzz get real!

He is 16, he knows right from wrong but hes still my child so im going to do whatever i can in helping him with this. NO! You are just trying to limit your liability and save your butt and not deal with anymore than you have to and maybe it will all go away?

In no way am i making excuses for him. That is all you have done, continually making the excuse that he wasn't in possession because the jar was empty and or because he either had sold or smoked it all already or was on his way to get more to smoke and or sell and was too stupid to put the scales and empty jar in the trunk and being driven by someone who doesn't obey the basic laws of the road, bringing attention to them causing them to get caught. So in addition to you knowing that your son is a dealer and only lucky that he's only getting cited for possession rather than possession with intent to sell. If there had been anything more than there was, you better believe that they would have been immediatly cited for intent to sell. Just because the driver wasn't cited at that point doesn't mean that they won't get cited later, BTW. How you act may have considerable impact on your son's prosecution. He would have been cited with the greater offense. .

Wouldnt you help your child if he/she were in the same position?
What do you mean by HELP? Do you mean get them off? No, I was in that position 11 years ago, my son had joined tha USMC and had cold feet. He and his friends thought a possession charge would get him out. They were wrong. Thankfully they didn't understand the one track mind and influence of the "Recruiter" who deal with these situations everyday. He got in, after special approval by the commandant of the USMC and lost his MOS and was assigned another one. In the USMC besides making the uniform look great, he became a man, he stayed away from drugs and matured considerably, he is now alive and well, raising his family whereas his partner's in crime who got away with it time and time again are dead. Less than 1 year from that incident his friend who provided the MJ OD'd so he has been 6 feet under for the last 10 years, he had used up his 9 lives so to speak. His parents, to this day blame themselves for what happened, because they made excuses for him. My son has thanked me time and time again for not trying to get him off.
Where are you getting this? Ask yourself the same question.

you are getting very off topic, what do you mean thats the reason they call it a "lid" Pleeezzzz, before they had digital scales they measured it in a LID, how is that off subject your son had the scale and is a dealer! It was a lot cheeper then so it didn't matter how accurately they measured it, I am not going to educate you on the subject.

MY SON WAS NOT CAUGHT WITH A 16TH of an OUNCE. he had NO marijuana. 1st of all when i said there was less than a 16th of a GRAM on my son I am saying he basically had no marijuana on him...You then said a 16th of an ounce which is 1.7 grams. YES LESS THAN MEANS LESS THAN. what exactly are you saying? DUHHHHH, it doesn't matter, he got caught. Even you admit it and the smell is less than a lot of measures but still evidence of possesion and the jar with smell, evidence of intent to sell, he is lucky that it was empty when he got caught THIS TIME. Don't worry he has sold before and will sell again if you get him off. I will suggest several things, refinance your house, now, so you will have the money to pay the criminal defense attorney's in the future and to pay for funeral costs if and or when his criminal life catches up with him and to pay for your grief counseling.

Why do some of you come on here saying WOW hes already doing this at 16?
There are a lot of things he shouldn't be doing at all or even at 16, do I need to list those here? BTW, why wasn't he driving, shall I guess?


How old were you when you were first offered marijuana? 16 is a prime age to be influenced. That is why YOU need to provide YOUR best influence now and not teach him that if you can justify something and or can pay enough you can make it go away. It doesn't work that way. That is why it is your responsibility as a parent.
Sorry I didn't answer this last night but I was unavailable, Please consider your responsibility and quit making excuses for your son.
 
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T731

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And because of that you are looking for ways to diminish your responsibility, damage control and are justifying your son's actions to cut your losses, plezzzz get real, who do you think you are kidding? Do you really thing we are that stupid? lol. how am i justifying my sons actions? OF COURSE I want to get the smallest charge possible. I am in no way justifying what he did, but if he was not carrying marijuana why am i going to sit here and watch him be charged with that?

It doesn't matter how many times you honestly know about, it matters that you know it happened at all, you don't get it, splitting hairs like this isn't setting a good example for your child, like Carl said his son would be down trying to work out some program and knowing that at home he was also facing some form of appropriate punishment such that they might even rather go to Juvie! YOU dont know what punishment my son has received from me so why are you even commenting on this? That is why i told you i am not here for you to tell me how to raise or punish my child. He has severe punishment and has lost all freedom he had when that happened.

"Curiousity killed the cat but satisfaction brought him back", but what about after your son has used up his 9 lives and you go and ID his lifeless, pale body on a slab? This is past the courious stage. Pleazzz get real!

NO! You are just trying to limit your liability and save your butt and not deal with anymore than you have to and maybe it will all go away? You know what, than fine thats what im doing. Its my son I would do the same for my wife or daughter. This is my family, I rather deal with them at home than go through the system

In no way am i making excuses for him. That is all you have done, continually making the excuse that he wasn't in possession because the jar was empty and or because he either had sold or smoked it all already or was on his way to get more to smoke and or sell and was too stupid to put the scales and empty jar in the trunk and being driven by someone who doesn't obey the basic laws of the road, bringing attention to them causing them to get caught. So in addition to you knowing that your son is a dealer and only lucky that he's only getting cited for possession rather than possession with intent to sell. If there had been anything more than there was, you better believe that they would have been immediatly cited for intent to sell. Just because the driver wasn't cited at that point doesn't mean that they won't get cited later, BTW. How you act may have considerable impact on your son's prosecution. He would have been cited with the greater offense. .
A scale is used to weigh the marijuana. Maybe they were purchasing the marijuana. I really dont know but neither you nor I are in the place to say he was selling. You cant prove that he was, I cant prove that he wasnt. Another thing my son has never been introuble with the law, Has never gotten into fights at school. Honor roll student. He's actually one grade ahead, skipped a year. and currently holds a steady job.Thats why im trying to get him out of this. My son has a future and i dont want to see him lose it.

Wouldnt you help your child if he/she were in the same position?
What do you mean by HELP? Do you mean get them off? No, I was in that position 11 years ago, my son had joined tha USMC and had cold feet. He and his friends thought a possession charge would get him out. They were wrong. Thankfully they didn't understand the one track mind and influence of the "Recruiter" who deal with these situations everyday. He got in, after special approval by the commandant of the USMC and lost his MOS and was assigned another one. In the USMC besides making the uniform look great, he became a man, he stayed away from drugs and matured considerably, he is now alive and well, raising his family whereas his partner's in crime who got away with it time and time again are dead. Less than 1 year from that incident his friend who provided the MJ OD'd so he has been 6 feet under for the last 10 years, he had used up his 9 lives so to speak. His parents, to this day blame themselves for what happened, because they made excuses for him. My son has thanked me time and time again for not trying to get him off.
Where are you getting this? Ask yourself the same question. Different strokes for different folks

you are getting very off topic, what do you mean thats the reason they call it a "lid" Pleeezzzz, before they had digital scales they measured it in a LID, how is that off subject your son had the scale and is a dealer! It was a lot cheeper then so it didn't matter how accurately they measured it, I am not going to educate you on the subject.Again, making assumptions that my son is a dealer. Do you know him personally? have you bought marijuana from him before? Ok then please stop now. and believe me i dont need any education on the subject.

DUHHHHH, it doesn't matter, he got caught. Even you admit it and the smell is less than a lot of measures but still evidence of possesion and the jar with smell, evidence of intent to sell, he is lucky that it was empty when he got caught THIS TIME. Don't worry he has sold before and will sell again if you get him off. I will suggest several things, refinance your house, now, so you will have the money to pay the criminal defense attorney's in the future and to pay for funeral costs if and or when his criminal life catches up with him and to pay for your grief counseling.yes he got caught with a scale and empty jar, so why is he being charged with possession of marijuana? and dont tell me the jar was EVIDENCE of possession. DUH, i know this, BUT HE WAS NOT CAUGHT WITH ANY SUBSTANCE! HOW CAN U BE CHARGED WITH HAVING A STUBSTANCE YOU DONT HAVE? I DONT CARE HOW EVIDENT IT WAS THAT IT WAS IN HIS CONTROL BEFORE THEY GOT THERE. HE DIDNT HAVE IT WHEN THEY FOUND HIM IS MY POINT.


There are a lot of things he shouldn't be doing at all or even at 16, do I need to list those here? BTW, why wasn't he driving, shall I guess?again, making more assumptions. He was riding with someone THATS WHY HE WASNT DRIVING.
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
I never thought that I would lose patience with anyone on this forum and I have been severely challenged by some posters and yet have never said this before.

Sir, You are not getting it. There I said it nicely.

Sir, You are a dense as a rock! There do you understand that?

Cut the Cra_! The judge isn't going to take that in their court room either.

You admitted he was both using and dealing, he was stupid and got caught. Honor roll student or not, he was stupid and as dense as you.

Thankfully he got caught while he was a minor and early enough to intervene, otherwise as an adult selling he would be looking at time making friends with a man named, Bubba!

Here are the legal implications for this charge and other potential ones in your state:
Possession of Controlled Substances by a Minor

Schedule I or II substance: Class 5 felony punishable by imprisonment for 1 to 10 years, or up to 12 months in jail and/or a fine of up to $2,500.

Schedule III substance: Class 1 misdemeanor punishable by up to 12 months in jail and/or a fine of up to $2,500.

Schedule IV substance: Class 2 misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail and/or a fine of up to $1,000.

Schedule V substance: Class 3 misdemeanor punishable by a fine of up to $500.

Schedule VI substance: Class 4 misdemeanor punishable by a fine of up to $250.

Possession of marijuana: Misdemeanor punishable by jail term of up to thirty days and/or a fine of up to $500.

§§ 18.2-250, 18.2-10, 11 § 18.2-250.1 § 18.2-251

 

CdwJava

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T731 said:
HOW CAN U BE CHARGED WITH HAVING A STUBSTANCE YOU DONT HAVE? I DONT CARE HOW EVIDENT IT WAS THAT IT WAS IN HIS CONTROL BEFORE THEY GOT THERE. HE DIDNT HAVE IT WHEN THEY FOUND HIM IS MY POINT.

I thought you wrote earlier that you weren't sure what he was going to be charged with yet because you were waiting for notification by mail? So, it may be for paraphernalia or a similar charge and NOT for possession.

Or, your son isn't giving you the whole tale of events.

Carl
 

rmet4nzkx

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CdwJava said:
I thought you wrote earlier that you weren't sure what he was going to be charged with yet because you were waiting for notification by mail? So, it may be for paraphernalia or a similar charge and NOT for possession.

Or, your son isn't giving you the whole tale of events.

Carl
Carl,
OP said officer brought the "stuff" to the house, told him he was going to charge possession and showed him the empty bottle, he said he could smell the MJ in the empty bottle. Maybe they are going to add a paraphernalia charge on top of it, that seems likely.
 

CdwJava

Senior Member
I wonder if there had been something in the bottle, but the officer had already removed it. I know that out here we cannot charge for possession unless we have a usable amount in possession ... I can only imagine the law is similar elsewhere. But, the scale and the bottle with an odor certainly are indicia of use - and possibly even enough for sales depending on what else is observed or discovered.

Personally, I would have probably whupped my kid right there - 16 or not.

I know he would not be out and about for a very long time, and he'd have his sorry butt in a sling till he was old enough to get out of the house or could earn his freedom back from me.

Carl
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
CdwJava said:
I wonder if there had been something in the bottle, but the officer had already removed it. I know that out here we cannot charge for possession unless we have a usable amount in possession ... I can only imagine the law is similar elsewhere. But, the scale and the bottle with an odor certainly are indicia of use - and possibly even enough for sales depending on what else is observed or discovered.

Personally, I would have probably whupped my kid right there - 16 or not.

I know he would not be out and about for a very long time, and he'd have his sorry butt in a sling till he was old enough to get out of the house or could earn his freedom back from me.

Carl
Maybe the kid swallowed the evidence as the cops pulled up, thus the smell in the jar and the delay for citations, for return on U/A?

Number one on the list would be no license until 18 unless they have any statutes for that! This parent is just trying to get off as easily as possible, too bad because the kid is in real trouble and if they are an honor roll student and getting into trouble like this and not a bit of comon sense.
 
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sweet_honesty

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Possession of paraphanillia and possession of marajuana is not the same thing at all!
Possession on paraphanillia is having on your possession.... a pipe, papers, an empty bag or jar, a scale....
Possession of marajuana is having pot on your possession...................
so not the same thing................
so we have an empty jar......... and a scale....... doesn't mean he had intent to deal, maybe he simply didn't want to get ripped off and the scale was for his own benefit.
And nobody can guess and say.... maybe he ate it....... if you are being pulled over a jar of weed is alot of weed to eat.... it would have been in his teeth and on his breath and probably on himself as well.... so to say something as ridiculous as that is a joke.
What he got busted for was possession of paraphanillia.............. a charge less than that of possession of marajuana........... he had no drugs on him at the time of the arrest, and no one in this forum or out of this forum can prove that this boy had intentions or did in fact sell anything.
Never assume anything you make as a** out of you and me........
Never assume anything...........
Not to mention.... you show me a 16 year old kid that hasn't tried weed and I will shake your hand.......... you all keep telling this mother that at least she caught it now, that it could lead to bigger and badder things.......
puhlease! Marajuana is something 99% of your kids are trying....... he's a kid and he's gonna try this stuff, as will most kids at 16 years old. he was simply unlucky and got caught..... did your guy's children get caught yet??? I'd hold my tongue if I were you guys... cause your kids might be next and probably will be.....
Good luck with your son.... you sound like a very good mother... and your right, you should stand behind him, he needs that right now........ that's what family's do people!
He was busted with possession of paraphanillia.... not intent to deliver, not possession of marajuana............... POSSESSION OF PARAPHANILLIA.... and at court that will probably be established

Don't throw stones through glass houses..... your's might break!
 

Shay-Pari'e

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so we have an empty jar......... and a scale....... doesn't mean he had intent to deal, maybe he simply didn't want to get ripped off and the scale was for his own benefit. Ripped off from what? Dealing?


What he got busted for was possession of paraphanillia.............. a charge less than that of possession of marajuana........... he had no drugs on him at the time of the arrest, and no one in this forum or out of this forum can prove that this boy had intentions or did in fact sell anything. He was already charged with possession of mariguna, That was in the first post. You should read up Nicoli


Never assume anything you make as a** out of you and me........
Never assume anything...........OK, not sure what that means.


Not to mention.... you show me a 16 year old kid that hasn't tried weed and I will shake your hand.......... I could show you lot's of them. There you go, assuming. No hand shake wanted.


.he was simply unlucky and got caught..... No, he was stupid and broke the law.
did your guy's children get caught yet??? NO


I'd hold my tongue if I were you guys... And now your giving orders ?

This is also the Father posting

Nicolie(?), you have come back under this new name, and your typing skill's are transparent. I see your having a little spat with IAAL, good luck with that. Don't forget to tell him how you are a BAYLOR grad!
 
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rmet4nzkx

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sweet_honesty said:
Possession of paraphanillia and possession of marajuana is not the same thing at all! That's right and the son may get cited for both by the time they get all the citations, please read the posts before you respond to them.

so we have an empty jar......... and a scale....... doesn't mean he had intent to deal, maybe he simply didn't want to get ripped off and the scale was for his own benefit. So? He was still caught and his parent admitted the son was both using and selling.

What he got busted for was possession of paraphanillia.............. a charge less than that of possession of marajuana........... he had no drugs on him at the time of the arrest, and no one in this forum or out of this forum can prove that this boy had intentions or did in fact sell anything. No he got busted for possession. He got caught because the girl driving was speeding and ran a stop sign, they also didn't cite for stupidity. His parent admitted the son was selling

Never assume anything You are the one assuming

you all keep telling this mother that at least she caught it now, that it could lead to bigger and badder things....... It can and does, so you are saying it is ok for a 16 year old to be dealing, will you think that when they start selling to your babies, when they start stealing from you to buy their drugs or having sex before they are out of middle school?

puhlease! Marajuana is something 99% of your kids are trying....... he's a kid and he's gonna try this stuff, as will most kids at 16 years old. he was simply unlucky and got caught..... did your guy's children get caught yet??? I'd hold my tongue if I were you guys... cause your kids might be next and probably will be..... He was stupid.

Good luck with your son.... you sound like a very good mother... and your right, you should stand behind him, he needs that right now........ that's what family's do people! Thank you I am a good mother and have already raised two law abiding sons and have dealt with various issues in an appropriate manner as they grew up, that is why they are alive, healthy and law abiding and contribute to society.

He was busted with possession of paraphanillia.... not intent to deliver, not possession of marajuana............... POSSESSION OF PARAPHANILLIA.... and at court that will probably be established For the last time, he was busted for possession, he has not received all the charges, they are waiting for the rest. You really need to learn to read before you respond and then respons in a detached manner nor your own prejudie or agenda.

Don't throw stones through glass houses..... your's might break!
I'm not throwing stones at anyones house, my son didn't get busted, I just explained why they may have been charged and what the potentials are under these circumstances, the parents still have responsibility.
 

mrtoledo

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sweet_honesty said:
so we have an empty jar......... and a scale....... doesn't mean he had intent to deal, maybe he simply didn't want to get ripped off and the scale was for his own benefit..............

Not to mention.... you show me a 16 year old kid that hasn't tried weed and I will shake your hand.......... Marajuana is something 99% of your kids are trying.......

Ok a large percentage is 16 years have tried it. (No where near 99%). How many of the 16 year olds carry around a scale with them. Typically a user that is expiermenting with it will have maybe a joint or two, or a baggie with a small amount in the bag.

Ok, go ahead and fight the system to the best of your ability.

But in the end you still need to admit to yourself that he was selling?

Here's an important question...... When he was caught how much cash did he have on him?
 

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