2nd Admendment Problems

[CdwJava]

Search out the federal definition (commercial) & other states ... I think that a state cannot define this term given the federal freedom to assemble clauses of the constitution but some states do not use "commercial" in their "driver" definitions .. most do though. Then some even say "motor vehicle operator" as well as defining driver in commercial terms.

Its a very interesting point to examine, One has to look at it without preconceived notions, looking at the subject from scratch. And also look at the history behind the current law. I think that we have had the wool pulled over our eyes.

Since state law governs the issuance of driver's licenses, we use the state definition, as do all the other states.

This commercial driver argument has been tried before and it has failed at every level.

It is well settled law that with very few (and limited) exceptions you need a driver's license to operate a motor vehicle on the public roadways.

Regardless of what you and some others might want the law to say, the current standing of the law is that driving is a privilege and NOT a right.

Frankly, the thought of driving being a right would be terrifying as it would likely lead to chaos on the roads as anyone and everyone would be able to drive at whatever age they could get behind a wheel and no matter their infirmity or capability. OR! We might see a national license system (i.e a National ID) as the means to provide some limitation to that right lest we see 10 year olds driving on the roadways.

 

[Dillon]

Frankly, the thought of driving being a right would be terrifying as it would likely lead to chaos on the roads as anyone and everyone would be able to drive at whatever age they could get behind a wheel and no matter their infirmity or capability. OR! We might see a national license system (i.e a National ID) as the means to provide some limitation to that right lest we see 10 year olds driving on the roadways.

that why we have law suits for damages, like people with licenses really drive that great, now?

having a license doesnt make one a better driver, DOES IT ?

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a license is not really necessary, how about just obtaining a certificate of competency for driving or carrying a concealed weapon? --

but you cant control the focks like that !!!


Competency Testing, U think?

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many people take a bus or taxi and they dont require an ID.

how does the state and the police manage to exist, with all these people not having to carry ID's ?


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[Dillon]

Since state law governs the issuance of driver's licenses, we use the state definition, as do all the other states.
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This commercial driver argument has been tried before and it has failed at every level

I am a member of the organic state, can i use my licensed copy of webster's dictionary? its in english?

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Dont you legally mean commercial motor vehicle equipment operators license argument?


thanks

 

[Captian Picard]

Since state law governs the issuance of driver's licenses, we use the state definition, as do all the other states.

This commercial driver argument has been tried before and it has failed at every level.

It is well settled law that with very few (and limited) exceptions you need a driver's license to operate a motor vehicle on the public roadways.

Regardless of what you and some others might want the law to say, the current standing of the law is that driving is a privilege and NOT a right.

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If you wish to continue thinking so that's your choice. Your research was clearly nothing or minimal.

 

[CdwJava]

If you wish to continue thinking so that's your choice. Your research was clearly nothing or minimal.

Please indicate to me one state where a driver's license is not required for the operation of a motor vehicle on a public roadway. Just one.

 

[justalayman]

Please indicate to me one state where a driver's license is not required for the operation of a motor vehicle on a public roadway. Just one.

Of course Carl.

That would be Captian Picard's own state; delusion

 

[Dillon]

Please indicate to me one state where a driver's license is not required for the operation of a motor vehicle on a public roadway. Just one.

I would never carry a consealed weapon or operate motor vehicle EQUIPMENT on government property, so I dont need a license, Do I?


I move my property on publicly owned property/aka, the common easement by RIGHT OF ACCESS to my Land. Go Figure


I do have a Right to access my land with my privately owned property over a commonly owned easement, Right?


(this easement was designed for access to my land with my private property)

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I dont recomend anyone carry, drive or operate their own stuff, just move it.

thanks dude

 

[CdwJava]

Yeah, go with that one Dillon ... but be sure to bring your checkbook to court.

If you drive on a public roadway in my state, you had best do so in a registered vehicle and with a valid drier's license. This is also a requirement in every state in the union. Unless, of course, you can show me one state that has no such requirement. Just one. Please. And don't cite theory, some court decision somewhere in the past, or something else ... name for me the state that does not require a driver's license.

 

[Dillon]

Yeah, go with that one Dillon ... but be sure to bring your checkbook to court.

If you drive on a public roadway in my state, you had best do so in a registered vehicle and with a valid drier's license. This is also a requirement in every state in the union.

you believe that if it gives you comfort.

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its a property rights matter and not a driving or carrying issue.

thanks

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[CdwJava]

you believe that if it gives you comfort.

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its a property rights matter and not a driving or carrying issue.

thanks

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So ... you admit that no state in the union permits you to drive without a license?

Dillon, all because you believe real hard in something doesn't make it so. You may believe that there is no right for the states to regulate driving, but you have yet to inform me of a single state that does not require a driver's license. Your wishes are out of sync with legal reality.

 

[quincy]

Regarding your comment, Carl, of "...lest we see 10 year olds driving on the roadways:" In Michigan we recently saw just that. Actually, the driver in this instance was only nine years old.

The young girl's father needed more alcohol but was too impaired to drive, so he instructed his daughter to get behind the wheel of his car to drive him to get more. She apparently did pretty well in her driving, using turn signals and everything. Unfortunately for the father, who bragged at the store about how his "little girl" was such an adept driver, an eyewitness overheard and called the police and the girl was stopped on her return home.

I suppose it is fortunate that the alcohol did not impair the father enough so that he decided to drive his daughter to the store, still allowing him some of the right instincts. Not nearly enough, though.

 

[CdwJava]

I have heard of children at such young ages stealing cars, as well.

Perhaps I should have qualified the statement by adding the word "legally."

Dad should have called a cab, or someone else to drive ... either way, I suspect that there is a child endangerment charge in there.

Out here in farm country we have a number of kids driving on farms, but not on the roadway. Imagine if these tykes were on the highways! Yoiks!

 

[Dillon]

So ... you admit that no state in the union permits you to drive without a license?

you have yet to inform me of a single state that does not require a driver's license. Your wishes are out of sync with legal reality.

I dont operate motor vehicle equipment or conseal carry, so the state does not require a license.

show me the law that requires me to carry a license if I dont operate motor vehicle equipment or conseal carry?

Since, I just move with my property on the common easement. (a perfectly legal activity)

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your looking at the issue from an incorrect angle. (think outside the box)

you need to change the way you think, speak and act lawfully.

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I hope that helps

 

[Zigner]

I dont operate motor vehicle equipmen...

You don't drive a car?

A rose by any other name...

You are trying to manipulate words. As Carl said, bring your checkbook to court

 

[quincy]

Carl, there is a felony child abuse charged (4 years in prison), and an habitual offender charge, and, the least perhaps of his worries, a misdemeanor charge for allowing an unlicensed person to drive.

Right now he is considering pleading guilty to the four year felony, hoping perhaps for probation in exchange for his plea. His visits with his daughter are now limited to supervised visitations three times a week, and he has a tether, and he is not allowed around children under 18, and he is not allowed to consume or purchase alcohol. He is attending AA voluntarily.

Oh, and if Dillon didn't make note of what I wrote up above, a driver's license is required in Michigan. To drive without one is a crime. So, I guess Michigan is one more state he can cross off the 50.