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nykizzle

Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? CALI

SPEEDING VS FAILURE TO STOP

THE CHP REPORT STATES V-1 THE PRIMARY CAUSE OF THE ACCIDENT WAS THE VEHICLE THAT FAILED TO STOP -- NOT WEARING SEAT BELTS CAUSING DEATH

AN "ASSOCIATED" CAUSE V-2 OTHER DRIVER SPEEDING WITH RIGHT OF WAY

HOW MUCH OF A FACTOR WOULD "ASSOCIATED" CAUSE IMPACT THE CASE FOR V-2
 


Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? CALI

SPEEDING VS FAILURE TO STOP

THE CHP REPORT STATES V-1 THE PRIMARY CAUSE OF THE ACCIDENT WAS THE VEHICLE THAT FAILED TO STOP -- NOT WEARING SEAT BELTS CAUSING DEATH

AN "ASSOCIATED" CAUSE V-2 OTHER DRIVER SPEEDING WITH RIGHT OF WAY

HOW MUCH OF A FACTOR WOULD "ASSOCIATED" CAUSE IMPACT THE CASE FOR V-2

That depends on what is trying to be accomplished.
 

ecmst12

Senior Member
42.

Realistically, not very much impact at all.

Turn off Caps Lock. No one likes to be yelled at.
 

latigo

Senior Member
SPEEDING VS FAILURE TO STOP

THE CHP REPORT STATES V-1 THE PRIMARY CAUSE OF THE ACCIDENT WAS THE VEHICLE THAT FAILED TO STOP -- NOT WEARING SEAT BELTS CAUSING DEATH

AN "ASSOCIATED" CAUSE V-2 OTHER DRIVER SPEEDING WITH RIGHT OF WAY

HOW MUCH OF A FACTOR WOULD "ASSOCIATED" CAUSE IMPACT THE CASE FOR V-2[/QUOTE]

I assume you are talking about litigation.

If so, then in and of itself, the California Highway Patrol report of the vehicle accident would have no impact whatsoever in civil court. It is hearsay and inadmissible.

This is not to say that the investigating officer(s) would not be permitted to testify as to their personal observatons at the scene or as to any admissions against interest by either driver. And would be permitted to refer to the report in order to refreshing the officer’s memory.

However, the contents of the report cannot be admitted into evidence for any purpose. You cannot cross-examine a piece of paper.

Moreover, the officer would not be permitted to testify as to his opinion on causal and issues of fault. Those areas are reserved as the exclusive province of the fact-finding body - jury or presiding judge.

Example: The officer could testify that the deceased was found not wearing a seat belt and could describe the injuries as observed, but he would not be permitted to state that the cause of death was the failure to wear the belt.
 
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CdwJava

Senior Member
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nykizzle said:
SPEEDING VS FAILURE TO STOP

THE CHP REPORT STATES V-1 THE PRIMARY CAUSE OF THE ACCIDENT WAS THE VEHICLE THAT FAILED TO STOP -- NOT WEARING SEAT BELTS CAUSING DEATH

AN "ASSOCIATED" CAUSE V-2 OTHER DRIVER SPEEDING WITH RIGHT OF WAY

HOW MUCH OF A FACTOR WOULD "ASSOCIATED" CAUSE IMPACT THE CASE FOR V-2
Criminally, not much. For insurance purposes, it might shift the apportionment of fault slightly, but I would not imagine significantly. As far as the CHP and the DMV will be concerned, P-1 will have caused the collision. However, insurance courts and civil courts are not bound by this determination of fault.

The proper term was be "associated factor."

latigo said:
Moreover, the officer would not be permitted to testify as to his opinion on causal and issues of fault. Those areas are reserved as the exclusive province of the fact-finding body - jury or presiding judge.
Ooooh ... not true. The officer CAN be subpoenaed to testify as to his investigation. His observations could be relevant, as might his opinion and conclusion as to the cause of the accident. The court might be left to weigh the credibility of the witness based upon his training and experience, but the officer could certainly be called to testify. In a criminal matter such as vehicular manslaughter (which this appears to be), he almost certainly will be. In a civil matter the odds are less that the officer will be called to testify.

As a note, in more than 600 collision investigations I have been subpoenaed to, as I recall, two of them and was never called to testify in either ... I just sat in the witness room for hours.

Example: The officer could testify that the deceased was found not wearing a seat belt and could describe the injuries as observed, but he would not be permitted to state that the cause of death was the failure to wear the belt.
And no attorney worth his salt would even think to ask the officer about the cause of death. The officer COULD testify, however, to the cause of the collision based upon his professional opinion. Now, the opposing counsel might object to the officer's "expert opinion" based upon a lack of foundation, but that's another matter.

In the end, the officer can be called to testify as to his investigation and as to his opinions and conclusions. Whether he will or not is another matter.
 

ecmst12

Senior Member
If the driver who failed to stop and caused the accident is ALSO the one who died, how would that be vehicular manslaughter?
 

CdwJava

Senior Member
If the driver who failed to stop and caused the accident is ALSO the one who died, how would that be vehicular manslaughter?
From what was written, I can't tell WHO died. It might have been a passenger, it might have been the driver, who knows? Even if the driver, it would still be a homicide ... though it would be one that could not be prosecuted if he caused his own death.
 

tranquility

Senior Member
Moreover, the officer would not be permitted to testify as to his opinion on causal and issues of fault. Those areas are reserved as the exclusive province of the fact-finding body - jury or presiding judge.
I agree with Carl, it will get in many times as expert testimony.

The defendant will move something like this:
http://rftmlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/Limine-Exclude-police-officer-opinion-regarding-causation.doc
and the plaintiff will argue the cop's training and experience make him an expert. The judge will decide.
 

latigo

Senior Member
I agree with Carl, it will get in many times as expert testimony.

The defendant will move something like this:
http://rftmlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/Limine-Exclude-police-officer-opinion-regarding-causation.doc
and the plaintiff will argue the cop's training and experience make him an expert. The judge will decide.

That is conceded, assuming that we are going to broaden the question by introducing a new element here - that of the expert accident reconstruction witnesses.

However, even in those jurisdictions where causal opinions by qualified experts are allowed, the opinion as to the cause or contributing causes of the accident must be based solely upon the witness own investigation unaided by the hearsay statements of witnesses taken at the scene.

In other words, the opinion must not be gathered in whole or in part from statements made outside of the courtroom.

A case in point (a vehicle/pedestrian /cross walk – fatal accident) is NENO v. CLINTON , New Jersey Supreme Court, 16 N. J. 573 Decided May 16, 2001.

In the trial court, the officer was permitted to testify that in his opinion the negligence of the pedestrian was the cause of the accident because he had entered the intersection against the traffic signal.

The reviewing court threw out that opinion testimony as being inadmissible. The reason being that it was not based solely upon the expert’s investigation, but gathered with the aid of the statements of witness at the scene.

And inasmuch as such witnesses’ extraneous statements were clearly hearsay the expert’s opinion was likewise tainted and declared inadmissible. (By the court)

The jury could have ascribed almost determinative significance to that opinion, which went to the heart of the case. The improperly admitted testimony was “clearly capable of producing an unjust result,”
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The finding and ruling in Neno seems clearly analogous to that presented by the OP.

That is, the California Highway Patrolman investigating the intersection accident – qualified expert or no – would not be permitted to voice the opinion that: “THE PRIMARY CAUSE OF THE ACCIDENT WAS THE VEHICLE THAT FAILED TO STOP” . . . if that opinion was based upon hearsay statements. And unless the officer observed the accident, he would not be able to determine which vehicle had the right-of-way, short of relying on hearsay statements.

Nor should the officer be permitted to testify that the failure to be “buckled up” was the cause of the deceased occupant’s demise. There are instances (rare) where fatal traffic injuries have been avoided merely because a seat belt was not worn at the time.

Again, introducing the expert witness factor is an assumption beyond the scope of the OP’s inquiry. Not all highway patrolmen qualify as experts in the field of reconstructing vehicle accidents. And unless so trained and qualified the rule of law that universally holds as inadmissible laymen’s opinion must obtain.

See: Lee v. Dickerson, 183 N.E.2d 615 [/]: "Statements contained in a report compiled by a police officer concerning the cause of or responsibility for an injury to the person or property are properly excluded from evidence on the basis that it constitutes an opinion or conclusion.

"A lay witness may not express an opinion or draw inferences from the facts." People v. Stokes, 95 Ill. App. 3d 62, 419 N.E.2d 1181 (1981).[

"As a general rule, a witness' opinion is not admissible in evidence because testimony must be confined to statements of fact of which the witness has personal knowledge." People v. Sprinkle, 74 Ill. App. 3d 456, 393 N.E.2d 94 (1979).

Dale v. Trent, 256 N.E.2d 402 . "Conclusions and opinions are not admissible because they invade the province of the jury or the court to make its own determination.

”The portion of the police report concerning the contributing or primary cause of any motor vehicle crash are inadmissible.” Ibid,

Prange v. D*i *c*k-erson,629 N.E.2d 915 ”Court found that police officer's opinion on causation based solely on the account of drivers at scene of accident should not have been admitted, but because defense counsel did not object at trial, it was not a reversible.”

”As a general rule, a witness' opinion is not admissible in evidence because testimony must be confined to statements of fact of which the witness has personal knowledge.” People v. Sprinkle, 74 Ill. App. 3d 456, 393 N.E.2d 94 (1979).
 

ecmst12

Senior Member
An officer could determine right of way without any witness testimony at all if one vehicle had a stop sign and the other did not. Right of way CAN be determined definitively sometimes, it is not always a he said/she said situation.
 

CdwJava

Senior Member
That is conceded, assuming that we are going to broaden the question by introducing a new element here - that of the expert accident reconstruction witnesses.
Not required. One does not need reconstruction experience or training to offer a professional opinion as to the CAUSE of a collision.

However, even in those jurisdictions where causal opinions by qualified experts are allowed, the opinion as to the cause or contributing causes of the accident must be based solely upon the witness own investigation unaided by the hearsay statements of witnesses taken at the scene.
Not entirely so out here as statements of witnesses can be part of the investigation and assist in determine the facts - especially when the statements do not conflict and the facts at the scene support those statements.

The determination of cause can largely be determined based upon the physical evidence at the scene absent the statements of witnesses. Sometimes, however, witnesses might play an integral role in the investigation - especially when the cause might be indicated as a failure to stop at a red light.

A case in point (a vehicle/pedestrian /cross walk – fatal accident) is NENO v. CLINTON , New Jersey Supreme Court, 16 N. J. 573 Decided May 16, 2001.

In the trial court, the officer was permitted to testify that in his opinion the negligence of the pedestrian was the cause of the accident because he had entered the intersection against the traffic signal.

The reviewing court threw out that opinion testimony as being inadmissible. The reason being that it was not based solely upon the expert’s investigation, but gathered with the aid of the statements of witness at the scene.
I understand the reasoning, but the OP is in CA not NJ. Though, out here, stepping into the intersection against the light would not automatically make a person at fault for the collision as drivers are also required to exercise due care. So, depending on the facts, it might not matter whether the pedestrian stepped into the street against the light or not.

And, the court is certainly within its right to dismiss the opinion if it feels inclined to do so.

That is, the California Highway Patrolman investigating the intersection accident – qualified expert or no – would not be permitted to voice the opinion that: “THE PRIMARY CAUSE OF THE ACCIDENT WAS THE VEHICLE THAT FAILED TO STOP” . . . if that opinion was based upon hearsay statements.
If SOLELY based upon statements, perhaps. But, I cannot imagine the investigating officer based his or her investigation SOLELY on witness statements. Though the witnesses could be brought in to state what they saw, and the officer could then supplement it with his investigation and the court could render an opinion based on all the testimony.

And unless the officer observed the accident, he would not be able to determine which vehicle had the right-of-way, short of relying on hearsay statements.
Yes, you very often can ... there are a number of ways to do so.

Nor should the officer be permitted to testify that the failure to be “buckled up” was the cause of the deceased occupant’s demise. There are instances (rare) where fatal traffic injuries have been avoided merely because a seat belt was not worn at the time.
I doubt that the officer wrote that. If he did, he may have opined that a contributing factor was the lack of wearing a seatbelt, or, perhaps the M.E. made such a conclusion that was included in the report or a supplement. We don't know. No matter, the officer would never be allowed to testify as to the actual cause of death.

Here are the requirements in CA:

http://leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=evid&group=00001-01000&file=800-805

As a note, I have testified as an expert in numerous collision investigations and I will not have the Reconstruction course until May. And, yes, my conclusions are sometimes based in part upon witness statements and my testimony clearly reflects those positions. As stated in the law, that witness "may be called and examined by any adverse party as if under cross-examination concerning the opinion or statement." To avoid that, the witness has typically been presented by the state prior to my testimony to lay that foundation.

Ultimately the court can accept or reject the testimony as it sees fit. I have never had my testimony dismissed or objected to, but I suppose there is always a first time.
 

tranquility

Senior Member
Moreover, the officer would not be permitted to testify as to his opinion on causal and issues of fault. Those areas are reserved as the exclusive province of the fact-finding body - jury or presiding judge.
Seemed pretty black and white to me. I'm glad we now agree.

Plaintiff attorney (After a bunch of factual testimony regarding the officer's expertise leading the court to consider him an "expert" and then a bunch more of observations of the officer testimony.): So, Officer Derp, seeing the short and intermittent skid marks on the roadway and the drop of glass and fluid and the damage to both the vehicles, did you form an opinion about if the defendant ran the stop sign?

(Objection from the defense attorney-which is overruled.)

Officer Derp: Yes.

PA: What was it?

OD: The defendant ran the stop sign.
 

latigo

Senior Member
Not required. One does not need reconstruction experience or training to offer a professional opinion as to the CAUSE of a collision. . . . .

Well you seem to take a very liberal, if not novel approach to the degree of influence a laywitness can bring to bear on the ultimate issues to be decided in a lawsuit. (Albeit I have yet to see an iota of a supporting legal reference!)

Would you go so far as to say that a criminal investigator is competent to render an opinion as to the guilt of the accused? And if so, why.

And if not, and you agree that the question of guilt or innocence is within the exclusive province of the trier of the facts, then explain how you distinguish the capacity of a laywitness in a tort trial from that of an expert criminal investigator in a criminal trial.

Again, supporting legal authorities would be appreciated
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I’m getting the impression from this thread that some may be of the mistaken belief that any witness in a lawsuit whose testimony has relevancy is competent to voice an opinion as to the ultimate issues to be decided. With the only condition being the value given that opinion by the trier of the facts.
 

CdwJava

Senior Member
I posted the statutes that concern expert testimony under CA law. I have testified as an expert in collision investigations, and NOT in my capacity as a reconstructionist since I am not yet certified as such (by mid May I will be). Expert testimony here can be supported through the use of properly presented witness testimony. Depending on the situation, that witness testimony used in conjunction with the physical investigation of the scene can sway the court to decide one way or the other.

I presume that the prosecutors that have called me to the stand understand the requirements for my testimony to be considered in such matters. And since no challenge has yet stood to my credentials or testimony, I can only assume that it is acceptable in CA (which is also the OP's state).

Rather than arguing about what might or might not be acceptable, we should fall back to the original point which is that the investigation and the witness statements CAN and WILL be used as part of the determination of fault. Clearly the police report (and, thus, the DMV) have determined fault to be on the part of the driver that failed to stop. A civil court, insurance companies, and others might choose to apportion some of the blame through an argument about speed of the other vehicle. Without knowing the specific facts, I cannot venture to guess whether the speed made a difference in the death of whomever died. Yes, the investigator can be called to testify as to his conclusions. Depending on the officer's qualifications, his testimony might be objected to. However, I don't know any agency that is going to give a fatal collision to a patrolman without at least Intermediate or Advanced collision investigation training. And, if the CHP, it almost certainly went to the MAIT team for review.

And, as mentioned, in most cases we can utilize other sources to determine with a great deal of certainty who may have had control of the intersection or not. And, yes, sometimes knowing who had a light might come down to the testimony of a witness.

The investigator will testify as to his investigation, and if asked, his conclusions. The ultimate conclusion will always belong to the court, of course.
 

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