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Shay-Pari'e

Senior Member
Jill,

I have not been privy to alot of your posts, as I just don't log on here much.

Please take this to heart as you are new.....

BadApple is a attorney that deals with military law. Rmet is a Forensic specialist, I Am Alway's Liable is a attorney, as well as JETX.

Great of you to give advice, but you really do not want the "Megan Status".

Senior Judge has to be a judgy, he is to intelligent not to be.

YAG, ...Not sure, but I adore his humor.

Hope I'm not missing anyone.

Anyway's Jill, Don't compete with these people, don't disparage these people and just continue on enjoying the forum.
 


Chris, This might help you answer your questions about some parts of your military entitlements:
Under Other Than Honorable Conditions. OTH Discharges are warranted when the reason for separation is based upon a pattern of behavior that constitutes a significant departure from the conduct expected of members of the Military Services, or when the reason for separation is based upon one or more acts or omissions that constitute a significant departure from the conduct expected of members of the Military Services. Examples of factors that may be considered include the use of force or violence to produce serious bodily injury or death, abuse of a special position of trust, disregard by a superior of customary superior-subordinate relationships, acts or omissions that endanger the security of the United States or the health and welfare of other members of the Military Services, and deliberate acts or omissions that seriously endanger the health and safety of other persons.

Persons awarded an OTH characterization of service: are not entitled to retain their uniforms or wear them home (although they may be furnished civilian clothing at a cost of not more than $50); must accept transportation in kind to their homes; are subject to recoupment of any reenlistment/enlistment bonus they may have received; are not eligible for notice of discharge to employers (which may affect unemployment benefits); and, do not receive mileage fees from the place of discharge to their home of record.
IMPORTANT:
It is generally believed that an OTH Discharge will render an individual ineligible for all VA Benefits. This is not necessarily so. The Department of Veterans Affairs will make its own determination with respect as to whether the OTH was based on conditions which would forfeit any or all VA benefits. Most veterans' benefits will be forfeited if that determination is adverse to the former service-member, such as when based on the following circumstances: (1) Desertion; (2) escape prior to trial by general court-martial; (3) conscientious objector who refuses to perform military duties, wear the uniform, or comply with lawful orders of competent military authorities; (4) willful or persistent misconduct; (5) offense(s) involving moral turpitude; (6) mutiny or spying; or (7) homosexual acts involving aggravating circumstances.


So you might want to check and see what kind of benefits you can get from the VA. If your serving the military aggrivated you knee condition enough to cause you a discharge you may be eligible for school assistance or disability benefits. I am not sure how if you can get these since you are in the reserves. Also from what I understand of the some of the info that I found, you are only considered active duty while in the reserves if you are deployed or serving continusly for a certain amount of time. This means that if you can compleate your active service obligation to stop the repayment of your bonus you would have to redo all of this time while deployed. I am not really trying to bash you here you are the one that attacked what I said. I even went out of my way at 3:00 in the morning to do a search for you to help you find the info. My suggestion to you is this. Get up with your commanding officer and explain to them that you can't pay your bills while deployed because you will no longer have a second job to help you with the income. Ask him if there is anyway that your repayment can be put on hold for now and then resumed when you come back stateside. It might be possible. You realy have kind of an odd situation here which I am not really sure how many people can answer. You should not be too quick to cask people in other branches of the military. I went into the Air force for personal reasons. I hate slackers. If your reason for discharge is legit then check with the VA about school pay. My husband got out partly because of knee problems. ( he did serve 12 years though) It took a year for the VA to file his claim but he now gets all of his school payed for plus 715.00 a month for going to school as well as 850.00 a month for being 50% disabled. I can't hurt to just call and ask them.
 
Jillian483 said:
Just to get this clarified. In your first post last year you said you had been in the guard for 6 months then later you said 8 months

WHEN I WAS DISCHRAGED THEY GAVE ME THE WRONG ONE AND IT MESSED ALOT OF STUFF UP Actually i said four months- but there was a problem with the enlistment and it had to be scraped and i had to go to meps and do it. it took them awhile to say that my physical from active duty wasnt good enough. Im not even sure what my ETS date is becuse of this, i look on my LES and it has a date that doesnt make any sense
and now you are saying 6 months again. You are contradiciting yourself. Furthermore you said you has put a thousand into the MGIB. You couldn't have been in for as long as you said because you aould have started putting in a hundred a month when you started basic thes means that you were only in for 10 months.

No i said about a thousand dollars- i did pay all of the money in- and i was in for two years. Did you start paying after you were in for a while?
Then I don't see how you got in the guard in the first place because on your questioneer they asked you; Have you been the subject of adverse administrative action, regardless of outcome, including (but not limited to) being flagged for failing to satisfy military height/ weight requirements, or for failing a military physical fitness test? I would think that this would disqualify you. But then again I never failed any of y tests and I got an honorable so I have never had to do this.yes my enlistment is legit- I got a waiverr--- and of course you probably wouldnt know anytihng about twisting your knee from stepping on a big rock at night with a 90 pund ruck strapped to your back a 240B in your hands, and look thru a pair of NODs
One must elect whether or not to participate in the MGIB during basic training or time of enlistment onto active duty. If one declines the MGIB, they can't change their mind later. If one elects to participate and then changes their mind later, or if they are discharged before they become eligible to use the benefits, they don't get any of the money back that was taken out of their pay. This is because (the way the law is worded), it's a "reduction in pay," not a "contribution."

It may surprise you to learn that not everyone who enters active duty is eligible to participate in the ADMGIB. You are not eligible to participate if you declined the ADMGIB in writing upon entry to active duty.

If You Separate Early

If you don’t complete the required period of service, you may still be eligible for MGIB if you were discharged early for one of the following reasons:

Medical Disability

Hardship

Pre-existing Medical Condition

A condition that interfered with performance of duty

A reduction in force (RIF)—(Only certain RIFs qualify; check with your Education Service Officer.)

Convenience of the Government.
Note: If the "Reason for Discharge" on your DD Form 214 (Record of Separation) is for this reason, you must have served at least 30 months if your enlistment contract was for three or more years, or at least 20 months if your enlistment contract was for less than three years.
Note: If you're discharged early, your MGIB benefit rates will be reduced accordingly. If you’re separated for one of these reasons, you'll receive one month of entitlement for each month of active duty (up to 36 months) after June 30, 1985. For example, if you're discharged after 19 months for hardship, and you meet the other eligibility requirements, you'll receive 19 months of MGIB benefits.

Oh look the answer to a lot of your questions and all I had to do was look it up. You can't pass a PT test,I BET WITH ME FAILING THE RUN I STILL SCORED HIGHER THEN YOU ON THE PT TESTS have a bad attitude,YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT MY ATTITUDE-YOUR JUST GETTING MY BAD SIDE BECAUSE I THINK YOU ARE FULL OF SH1T-I RESPECT THAT YOU SERVED YOUR COUNTRY_BUT THE AIRFORCE MEANS JACK TO ME-THE AIRFORCE DOESNT IMPRESS ME> and no military bearing. AND AGAIN IM GOING TO SAY HOW WOULD YOU KNOW-THIS IS THE INTERNET-AND YOU ARE NO ONE TO ME-FOR SOME REASON ALL OF MY NCOS LIKE ME WITH MY BAD ATTITUDE AND LACK OF MILITARY BEARING. HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT THAT MAYBE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING MIGHT BE BETTER REFLECTED IN YOUR SELF- I MEAN YOUR THE ONE WHO KEEPS COMMING ON THE THRED I STARTED AND AND CHANGING WHAT YOU SAID IM PREVIOS POSTS A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME Come back when you have some respect for people. You should also know this....
Visible tattoos or brands on the face, neck or head are prohibited. Tattoos or brands on other areas of the body that are prejudicial to good order and discipline are prohibited. Any type of tattoo or brand that is visible while wearing a Class A uniform and detracts from a soldierly appearance is prohibited.WELL GUESS WHAT I HAVE A TATTOO ON MY NECK- MAKES YOU WONDER HOW I GOT BACK IN WITH IT HUH

Examples of the types of tattoos or brands that may be in violation of this policy are those that:

1) show an alliance with "extremist" organizations,

2) are indecent (i.e. those that are grossly offensive to modesty, decency, or propriety; shock the moral sense because of their vulgar, filthy, or disgusting nature; tend to incite lustful thought; or tend reasonably to corrupt morals or incite libidinous thoughts,

3) are unreasonably large or excessive in number (i.e. a series of tattoos that cover the majority of one or more limbs
GUESS WHAT I HAVE MY ARM SLEEVED
Class A uniform:

A tattoo is prohibited if, while wearing the Class A uniform, it

1) is visible, AND

2) detracts from a soldierly appearance.

Both conditions are required for the particular tattoo to be prohibited.

Under most circumstances, small, inconspicuous, or inoffensive tattoos or brands on areas of the body other than the face, neck or head are not prohibited.

Removal of Tattoos:

MEDCOM may remove tattoos that are not in compliance under the appropriate circumstances. Tattoos will be removed when the soldier asks for assistance AND the soldier is command-referred. The Army may elect not to provide this service for any soldier who voluntarily has a tattoo or brand applied which is in violation of the policy, if applied after 05 January 1999. Be aware that tattoo removal is a multi-treatment procedure. Commanders should take this into consideration when implementing the tattoo policy.

Commanders’ Guidance:

Soldiers should not be ordered to remove tattoos or brands. Rather, soldiers who refuse to have tattoos or brands removed should be counseled. The following points shall be addressed:

1) Ensure that the soldier understands the policy.

2) Ensure the soldier has the opportunity to seek medical advice about the removal of tattoos.

3) Counsel the soldier in writing that he or she does not comply with Army policy and that the decision not to remove the tattoo or brand could result in adverse administrative action, to include discharge from the Army.

YOU THINK THAT I DONT KNOW THE REGULATIONS ON TATOOS- I KNOW THEM VERY WELL- AND IF THEIR WAS SOMETHING WRONG WITH MY TATTOOS THEN I WOULDNT BE IN RIGHT NOW WOULD I- MEPS WOULD HAVE CAUGHT ANY TATTOOS THAT WERE AGAINST THE REGS.... THE THING IS I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE LOOKED UP THE AIRFORCE TATTOO POLICEY,



please quit posting im gettin really sick of you, and your know it all attitude.
 
I BET WITH ME FAILING THE RUN I STILL SCORED HIGHER THEN YOU ON THE PT TESTS Yeah I bet you scored higher than me who runs 8 miles every monday tuesday and wednesday and marathons on the side for fun.
yes my enlistment is legit- I got a waiverr--- and of course you probably wouldnt know anytihng about twisting your knee from stepping on a big rock at night with a 90 pund ruck strapped to your back a 240B in your hands, and look thru a pair of NODs Okay then you jackas I will once again explain the obvious. If all that you are worried about here is the money and the benifits then why did you even go back in? Why didn't you just go down to the VA and file for disability for your service related injury? They would pay for you to go to school, give you a living allowance while you did it (chapter 31) and payed you disability. With the tatoos I was just trying to explain to you how your commander was looking at it. once again you jump down my neck. He was pissed about it because when you were in your uniform all of your tatoos on your arms and crap were covered but you had that one on your neck that everybody could see. I have a tatoo on my hand and I made sure that I kept bandaids in my gym locker so that I could cover it up if I needed to.
 
THE THING IS I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE LOOKED UP THE AIRFORCE TATTOO POLICEY Actually it was the army tatoo policy. In the airforce you can get any tatoo anywhere so as long as it does not cover 20% of that one body part and it is not offensive.
 
I didnt just go back in for money and benifits- part of it was a moral thing, i didnt fulfil my first enlistment and had two years left, so i enlisted for two years in the guard, and actually i will have to serve more then two years, because i will be stop lossed while im in iraq. if i wanted money i could just work overtime one weekend a month at my job and make twice as much money as the guard pays.. my main condern with all of this is the couple of months that i will be just receiving regular active pay. while im training. with them taking two thirds of my check to pay back the bonus... that will leave me with no money to take care of my bills... I bought a new car, I would really hate to have it repossed while im off, serving my country...
 
chrisdizz22 said:
I didnt just go back in for money and benifits- part of it was a moral thing, i didnt fulfil my first enlistment and had two years left, so i enlisted for two years in the guard, and actually i will have to serve more then two years, because i will be stop lossed while im in iraq. if i wanted money i could just work overtime one weekend a month at my job and make twice as much money as the guard pays.. my main condern with all of this is the couple of months that i will be just receiving regular active pay. while im training. with them taking two thirds of my check to pay back the bonus... that will leave me with no money to take care of my bills... I bought a new car, I would really hate to have it repossed while im off, serving my country...

Did you try this....
Get up with your commanding officer and explain to them that you can't pay your bills while deployed because you will no longer have a second job to help you with the income. Ask him if there is anyway that your repayment can be put on hold for now and then resumed when you come back stateside. It might be possible. You realy have kind of an odd situation here which I am not really sure how many people can answer.
 
Jillian483 said:
I BET WITH ME FAILING THE RUN I STILL SCORED HIGHER THEN YOU ON THE PT TESTS Yeah I bet you scored higher than me who runs 8 miles every monday tuesday and wednesday and marathons on the side for fun.
yes my enlistment is legit- I got a waiverr--- and of course you probably wouldnt know anytihng about twisting your knee from stepping on a big rock at night with a 90 pund ruck strapped to your back a 240B in your hands, and look thru a pair of NODs Okay then you jackas I will once again explain the obvious. If all that you are worried about here is the money and the benifits then why did you even go back in? Why didn't you just go down to the VA and file for disability for your service related injury? They would pay for you to go to school, give you a living allowance while you did it (chapter 31) and payed you disability. With the tatoos I was just trying to explain to you how your commander was looking at it. once again you jump down my neck. He was pissed about it because when you were in your uniform all of your tatoos on your arms and crap were covered but you had that one on your neck that everybody could see. I have a tatoo on my hand and I made sure that I kept bandaids in my gym locker so that I could cover it up if I needed to.

I didnt file for disability because my knee is fine now. all it needed was some time to heal. when i was youger i was diagnoised with a knee diease where the thigh muscle grows over the knee and attaches its self under the knee cap, and causes pain. it fairly common. but i hadent had a problem with this since i was probably a soph in high school, and when i twisted my knee the medics kept saying that it was the diease that was causing the pain. they took x rays and nothing was broken. so they would not look into it being anything else then waht the had said at first. and I knew that they were wrong because it was my knee and i have had it all of my life. and it was a differnt kind of pain then the knee diease had caused, it was a very sharp pain instead of a dull nagging pain. when i would go out to run everything aould be fne for about a mile or so, and then it would feel like i had a nail inside my knee. like lightining had hit my leg or something.


and as far as the tattoos, the reason the first sergrant didnt like them is because, they were on me.
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I pissed him off once. but he was trying to stick his nose where it didnt belong. and i told him that it wasnt his business. so he called me into his office the next day. with my platoon sergeant and threatened to go to work on me. i didnt think that what contact i have with my daughter was any of his business. and i did not want to talk to my ex. its a real long story. invloving two IG complaints against me, for not talking to my daughter on the phone, who couldnt talk at the time. becasue she was too young
 
Okay then talk to your supervisor, and see if the debt can be put on hold. I've never heard of it happening before but HEY there's a first time for everyting. Have you gotten your taxes back yet? If not it might be because the government is takin git to fulfill your repayment. Check and see if the taxes will cover your remaining ballance and then you might be worry free. :)
 
What is the problem here? You got your answer. Why does this post continue? Where did this tatoo crap come from? Jill let it rest, Chris stop arguing about everything. Who know and who cares who is right?
 

Shay-Pari'e

Senior Member
StpmomNchicago said:
What is the problem here? You got your answer. Why does this post continue? Where did this tatoo crap come from? Jill let it rest, Chris stop arguing about everything. Who know and who cares who is right?

Dude,

Relax and step back. You are not a moderator on this forum and a thread could grow into the size of china.

It's the internet dude.

Please don't give out orders to people who will laugh at them, it's not your place.
 
--PARIDISE-- said:
Jill,

I have not been privy to alot of your posts, as I just don't log on here much.

Please take this to heart as you are new.....

BadApple is a attorney that deals with military law. Rmet is a Forensic specialist, I Am Alway's Liable is a attorney, as well as JETX.

Great of you to give advice, but you really do not want the "Megan Status".

Senior Judge has to be a judgy, he is to intelligent not to be.

YAG, ...Not sure, but I adore his humor.

Hope I'm not missing anyone.

Anyway's Jill, Don't compete with these people, don't disparage these people and just continue on enjoying the forum.


*laughing*(at you Jillian) It's official. No one likes you or anything you have to say on these forums. This is so funny. You really think your adding to the quality of the information on this site. Keep up the good work soldier! :rolleyes:
 

badapple40

Senior Member
chris: piss off re: the Air Force comment, I happen to be prior Air Force active duty (JAG) and current Air Force reserves (JAG).

Jillian: You are on my Megan list, meaning that I am now ignoring everything else you have to say, until such time as you demonstrate the ability to think before you post more drivel all over the Internet.
 
Jillian483 said:
Chris, This might help you answer your questions about some parts of your military entitlements:
Under Other Than Honorable Conditions. OTH Discharges are warranted when the reason for separation is based upon a pattern of behavior that constitutes a significant departure from the conduct expected of members of the Military Services, or when the reason for separation is based upon one or more acts or omissions that constitute a significant departure from the conduct expected of members of the Military Services. Examples of factors that may be considered include the use of force or violence to produce serious bodily injury or death, abuse of a special position of trust, disregard by a superior of customary superior-subordinate relationships, acts or omissions that endanger the security of the United States or the health and welfare of other members of the Military Services, and deliberate acts or omissions that seriously endanger the health and safety of other persons.

Persons awarded an OTH characterization of service: are not entitled to retain their uniforms or wear them home (although they may be furnished civilian clothing at a cost of not more than $50); must accept transportation in kind to their homes; are subject to recoupment of any reenlistment/enlistment bonus they may have received; are not eligible for notice of discharge to employers (which may affect unemployment benefits); and, do not receive mileage fees from the place of discharge to their home of record.
IMPORTANT:
It is generally believed that an OTH Discharge will render an individual ineligible for all VA Benefits. This is not necessarily so. The Department of Veterans Affairs will make its own determination with respect as to whether the OTH was based on conditions which would forfeit any or all VA benefits. Most veterans' benefits will be forfeited if that determination is adverse to the former service-member, such as when based on the following circumstances: (1) Desertion; (2) escape prior to trial by general court-martial; (3) conscientious objector who refuses to perform military duties, wear the uniform, or comply with lawful orders of competent military authorities; (4) willful or persistent misconduct; (5) offense(s) involving moral turpitude; (6) mutiny or spying; or (7) homosexual acts involving aggravating circumstances.


So you might want to check and see what kind of benefits you can get from the VA. If your serving the military aggrivated you knee condition enough to cause you a discharge you may be eligible for school assistance or disability benefits. I am not sure how if you can get these since you are in the reserves. Also from what I understand of the some of the info that I found, you are only considered active duty while in the reserves if you are deployed or serving continusly for a certain amount of time. This means that if you can compleate your active service obligation to stop the repayment of your bonus you would have to redo all of this time while deployed. I am not really trying to bash you here you are the one that attacked what I said. I even went out of my way at 3:00 in the morning to do a search for you to help you find the info. My suggestion to you is this. Get up with your commanding officer and explain to them that you can't pay your bills while deployed because you will no longer have a second job to help you with the income. Ask him if there is anyway that your repayment can be put on hold for now and then resumed when you come back stateside. It might be possible. You realy have kind of an odd situation here which I am not really sure how many people can answer. You should not be too quick to cask people in other branches of the military. I went into the Air force for personal reasons. I hate slackers. If your reason for discharge is legit then check with the VA about school pay. My husband got out partly because of knee problems. ( he did serve 12 years though) It took a year for the VA to file his claim but he now gets all of his school payed for plus 715.00 a month for going to school as well as 850.00 a month for being 50% disabled. I can't hurt to just call and ask them.

no i have a under honorable conditions discharge, not a other then honorable
 

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