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SusanMargaret

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What is the name of your state?

California

My 16 year old son was in an auto accident. The police determined it was my son's fault but no ticket was issued. There were four people in the car he hit. One of the passengers was not wearing his seat belt and was ejected from the vehicle. This passenger received broken bones and a torn spleen. He got a lawyer and wants full policy benefits. Our insurance policy allows for $25,000.00 per person and $50,000.00 per accident. Can I be personally sued for more than the policy limits and lose my house? Should I get a lawyer?What is the name of your state?
 
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lwpat

Senior Member
Your insurance company has a duty to defend. The time to worry about your house was when you signed up for minimum coverage and let your 16 year old drive. If a court awards more than the limits, a judgment against you will be entered and they can collect in accordance with the laws of your state. Ask the insurance attorney for an explanation of the law in your state.
 

SusanMargaret

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Seat Belt issue

Thanks for your reply. But what about the seat belt issue? Can the passenger really collect all that much from the insurance company or me personally if he was ejected from the vehicle because he was not wearing a seat belt? Perhaps he would not have had a torn spleen or broken bones if he had been wearing a seat belt. Could this passenger sue the driver of the vehicle he was in, or the driver's insurance company since the driver did not make sure that his passenger was wearing a seat belt? California has a seat belt law so I would think the ejected passenger bears some of the responsiblities for his injuries?
 
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Litigation!

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SusanMargaret said:
Thanks for your reply. But what about the seat belt issue? Can the passenger really collect all that much from the insurance company or me personally if he was ejected from the vehicle because he was not wearing a seat belt? Perhaps he would not have had a torn spleen or broken bones if he had been wearing a seat belt. Could this passenger sue the driver of the vehicle he was in, or the driver's insurance company since the driver did not make sure that his passenger was wearing a seat belt? California has a seat belt law so I would think the ejected passenger bears some of the responsiblities for his injuries?


My response:

You're in deep poo poo. If you had more insurance, then perhaps you could have made that argument. The fact is, though, that despite his not wearing a seatbelt, his concurrent negligence and damages suffered far, far, far outweigh your coverage.

It's time for Brazil.

IAAL
 

Just Blue

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SusanMargaret said:
Thanks for your reply. But what about the seat belt issue? Can the passenger really collect all that much from the insurance company or me personally if he was ejected from the vehicle because he was not wearing a seat belt? Perhaps he would not have had a torn spleen or broken bones if he had been wearing a seat belt. Could this passenger sue the driver of the vehicle he was in, or the driver's insurance company since the driver did not make sure that his passenger was wearing a seat belt? California has a seat belt law so I would think the ejected passenger bears some of the responsiblities for his injuries?


Do you really think like this?...Or are you just grasping at straws?:confused: :confused:
 

Litigation!

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baystategirl said:
Do you really think like this?...Or are you just grasping at straws?:confused: :confused:


My response:

They only start thinking like this when the sh!t finally hits the fan. Otherwise, all they care about is the "Minimum Financial Responsibility" law.


IAAL
 

Just Blue

Senior Member
Litigation! said:
My response:

They only start thinking like this when the sh!t finally hits the fan. Otherwise, all they care about is the "Minimum Financial Responsibility" law.


IAAL


Perhaps its because my Mother sold insurance....but I always have the MOST I can get...and I can't imagine letting a 16 year old drive my car without $500,000.00 policy... minimum!!...thats just asking for trouble!!
 

SusanMargaret

Junior Member
Deep poo poo

Well, you guys certainly have some great legal advice to offer! Perhaps I am in deep poo poo, but the fact is the guy was not wearing a seat belt. I believe California does have laws about the amounts you could recover if part of your injuries were do to your own negligence. I am asking about legal advice for the situation I am in right now, not the fact that I did not have maximum coverage which is water under the dam.

I have seen several people post here mentioning that they had no insurance and were involved in accidents and the responses appeared to be helpful not condemning. My son was driving with my 73 year old father, so it was not like he was out for a joy ride and speeding, he was never ticketed for the accident, no camera's, no witnesses.

If any of you have legal advice to offer that would be great, but making comments that I was an idiot for not having maximum coverage is pointless at this stage of the game. Believe me, I have already kicked myself and my husband many times for not having maximum coverage. If I had been paying the bills and handling the insurance, we would have had maximum coverage. I know how sue happy people can be!
 

Just Blue

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SusanMargaret said:
Well, you guys certainly have some great legal advice to offer! Perhaps I am in deep poo poo, but the fact is the guy was not wearing a seat belt. I believe California does have laws about the amounts you could recover if part of your injuries were do to your own negligence. I am asking about legal advice for the situation I am in right now, not the fact that I did not have maximum coverage which is water under the dam.

I have seen several people post here mentioning that they had no insurance and were involved in accidents and the responses appeared to be helpful not condemning. My son was driving with my 73 year old father, so it was not like he was out for a joy ride and speeding, he was never ticketed for the accident, no camera's, no witnesses.

If any of you have legal advice to offer that would be great, but making comments that I was an idiot for not having maximum coverage is pointless at this stage of the game. Believe me, I have already kicked myself and my husband many times for not having maximum coverage. If I had been paying the bills and handling the insurance, we would have had maximum coverage. I know how sue happy people can be!


IAAL is a California Attorney...
 

Litigation!

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SusanMargaret said:
Well, you guys certainly have some great legal advice to offer! Perhaps I am in deep poo poo, but the fact is the guy was not wearing a seat belt. I believe California does have laws about the amounts you could recover if part of your injuries were do to your own negligence. I am asking about legal advice for the situation I am in right now, not the fact that I did not have maximum coverage which is water under the dam.

I have seen several people post here mentioning that they had no insurance and were involved in accidents and the responses appeared to be helpful not condemning. My son was driving with my 73 year old father, so it was not like he was out for a joy ride and speeding, he was never ticketed for the accident, no camera's, no witnesses.

If any of you have legal advice to offer that would be great, but making comments that I was an idiot for not having maximum coverage is pointless at this stage of the game. Believe me, I have already kicked myself and my husband many times for not having maximum coverage. If I had been paying the bills and handling the insurance, we would have had maximum coverage. I know how sue happy people can be!


My response:

I have already answered your question. Like the amount of insurance coverage you had on your child (not an adult), you're also ignorant that your question was answered.

I'll repeat it. The damages are STILL greater than the amount of coverage you had at the time - - despite the fact that the injured kid wasn't wearing a seatbelt. Okay, so instead of getting a judgment for $750,000, his judgment will be reduced by his own negligence to $450,000.00

Now what?

Like I said, it's time to pull up tent stakes and head for Brazil.


IAAL
 

SusanMargaret

Junior Member
IAAL is an attorney?

Good God, I don't think I would want IAAL as my attorney when he advises his clients to head for Brazil!

So much for the great freebie advice on this forum. Think I'll go out and look for some shyster lawyer to help defend us. Perhaps he can recommend another county to live in other than Brazil, I don't speak spanish.

Perhaps IAAL only represents the injured and not people on the other side of the fence. Also, he made an assumption it was not a kid who was injured it was an adult.
 

Just Blue

Senior Member
SusanMargaret said:
Good God, I don't think I would want IAAL as my attorney when he advises his clients to head for Brazil!

So much for the great freebie advice on this forum. Think I'll go out and look for some shyster lawyer to help defend us. Perhaps he can recommend another county to live in other than Brazil, I don't speak spanish.

Perhaps IAAL only represents the injured and not people on the other side of the fence. Also, he made an assumption it was not a kid who was injured it was an adult.


What do YOU think will happen? Do you think the jury will toss the case out of court because that adult forgort thier seatbelt?...Is this what you think?...Don't you think what IAAL said makes more sense??...
 

loveumms

Member
Susan - I can understand your argument.

I am assuming the passenger who was ejected was injured a great deal more then any of the other people in the car. Did any of the other passengers sustain serious injuries? If so, what were these injuries?

Was the ejected party over 18? If not then it would be the driver’s responsibility to ensure the all passengers were properly restrained (at least that is the case in my state).

If the passenger was over 18 then they were negligent for not wearing a seat belt and I am pretty sure the lawyers working for your insurance company will argue that point (since they do not want to pay out the maximum either). Have you contacted your insurance company to find out what they are paying? Considering insurance companies don’t want to pay any more then they have to, they will also likely fight this claim.

I should say this – I don’t have a law degree (but then again I don’t think many of the so called ‘lawyers’ on this site do either) but, I seriously doubt that the person will get a judgment of $500,000 for his injuries. Broken bones and a torn spleen do not warrant that kind of judgment, especially if the injuries were likely due to being ejected (not the accident itself). I would definitely get a lawyer though since you have only minimal insurance coverage.

Unfortunately, some of the posters on this site give decent advice but then have to make the OP feel terrible about their actions (you have to understand these posters are so smart and perfect, they never make mistakes). But, you also have to wonder why they spend so much time giving out free advice. Please either PM me or post what happens with your case - best of luck!



Here are some articles I found which might be good to read:

http://injury.freeadvice.com/injury_help.php/140_181_921.htm

http://www.netlawlibraries.com/jurinst/ji_005.html (go down to bottom of page)

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/hdbk/pgs46thru47.htm

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/inj.../BUA_WEBSITE/Archive-04/Cases/California.html

http://www.napil.com/PersonalInjuryCaseLawDetail38113/Page1.htm (sort of outdated but gives example of how verdicts can be awarded)


http://www.wcl.american.edu/journal/lawrev/45/cook.cfm
The issue of pre-accident mitigation also has arisen in the so-called "seat belt defense" cases.63 In those cases, the contention is that the plaintiff, who was not wearing a seat belt, would not have been as seriously injured had he been wearing one, and that the damages, therefore, should be reduced.64 A number of courts have adopted such a rule.65 Accordingly, it has become apparent that the courts are advancing a fundamental principle of personal responsibility: the potential plaintiff's obligation to take steps prior to an accident to reduce or eliminate the adverse impact of the subsequent loss.

A leading "seat belt defense" case is Spier v. Barker.66 In Spier, the New York Court of Appeals held that

nonuse of an available seat belt, and expert testimony in regard thereto, is a factor which the jury may consider . . . in arriving at its determination as to whether the plaintiff has exercised due care, not only to avoid injury to himself, but to mitigate any injury he would likely sustain.67

The opinion further explained that: "n our opinion, the seat belt affords the automobile occupant an unusual and ordinarily unavailable means by which he or she may minimize his or her damages prior to the accident."68 The court was persuaded that, unlike other types of injured plaintiffs, "an automobile occupant may readily protect himself, at least partially, from the consequences of a collision."69 The court, therefore, recognized that a potential plaintiff has a significant responsibility with regard to his or her own damages, even to the point of planning in advance how to eliminate or reduce those damages.70

The Supreme Court of Florida has also adopted the mitigation approach to seat belt cases, observing that the result is dictated by that court's "underlying philosophy of individual responsibility."71 Moreover, an Arizona court, in recognizing a seat belt defense based on a mitigation theory, observed that "the victim of a tort has the duty to exercise due care and act diligently to protect his or her own interests."72 The court disclaimed any novelty in its approach, stating that "[t]he principle that a plaintiff must undertake reasonable measures to protect his own interest is a paradigm judicial principle of historic origins."73
 
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