Can lease pages be mixed and matched with revisions?

[Searchertwin]

=netfocus;3049662]So lets say you are right and initials are just as good as a signature; so I initialed 1 page by itself on a later date and returned; what part of my initial gives someone the authority to then use that page to replace a page on the original contract when there was nothing on this initialed page granting that authority or action?

You are trying your best. But you gave the authority to replace that page when you SIGN the papers.
And yes, your initials is enough.

Keep it simple:

1) Amendment may refer to:
A change made to a contract - correction
That's what taking place here, your lease


2) Initial
A signature is a handwritten (and sometimes stylized) depiction of someone's name, nickname, or even a simple "X" that a person writes on documents as a proof of identity and intent.
In situations that do not require a more complete signature, an instrument can be properly signed when the initial letter or letters of the given name.

3) Instrument:

Your lease contract

You just can't get any simpler.
Sandy did her best, but you kept your blinders on.

 

[netfocus]

2) Initial
A signature is a handwritten (and sometimes stylized) depiction of someone's name, nickname, or even a simple "X" that a person writes on documents as a proof of identity and intent.
In situations that do not require a more complete signature, an instrument can be properly signed when the initial letter or letters of the given name.

An initial is not the same as a signature; this definition seems to be for a signature - not initial.

You may have done your best to show me a contract can be half-ass modified and *may* hold up; but as NOLO said, even a formal amendment as I showed in a previous post may not hold up in court in their opinion, so you have yet to show me why you think a little half-ass fix is so rock solid when every legal article I ready says otherwise. Sure it "may" hold up, but by no means is guaranteed as to warrant your adamancy towards the validity of this joke of a lease which you have never seen nor read.

 

[tranquility]

An initial is not the same as a signature; this definition seems to be for a signature - not initial.

While I hesitate as the OP will misconstrue the verbiage to his own hopes, http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/signature

 

[netfocus]

While I hesitate as the OP will misconstrue the verbiage to his own hopes, http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/signature

"In situations that do not require a more complete signature, an instrument can be properly signed when the initial letter or letters"

This statement from your source would seem to confer less validity to an initial.

 

[tranquility]

How so? I mean, I knew you were going to take the plain meaning of what a signature is and twist it through your theory of what it should be, but, what do you mean?

In your own words, what is a "signature"?

 

[netfocus]

So I have been told erroneously I am guessing, that pages can be mixed and replaced on a contract at will as long as they are initialed. Under that logic, what happens when there are multiple copies of a contract floating around with different terms on different copies; Which contract is valid? And are the old versions invalidated by the new versions existence?

 

[Gail in Georgia]

Please just stop your desperate arguments to attempt to justify that your current lease is not valid.

It's time you paid money to an attorney to hear the same things you've been told here.

Gail

 

[tranquility]

So I have been told erroneously I am guessing, that pages can be mixed and replaced on a contract at will as long as they are initialed. Under that logic, what happens when there are multiple copies of a contract floating around with different terms on different copies; Which contract is valid? And are the old versions invalidated by the new versions existence?

I take no opinion on your other facts. I haven't seen the contract or the purported amendments. The key will be if there was an offer, and acceptance and consideration for each of the amendments. What the contract is is what it is. You clearly don't want it to be what the other side wants it to be. I don't know the result, but I do know that your argument the contract wasn't signed is not going to be determinative.

 

[netfocus]

Please just stop your desperate arguments to attempt to justify that your current lease is not valid.

It's time you paid money to an attorney to hear the same things you've been told here.

Gail

All Iv'e heard here is a bunch of Trolls throwing out Ad Hominem attacks and Red Herring's in response to my logic. Should have known better to post in a forum full of bitter landlords. That sad thing is if I listened to any of you people earlier in life that there is just no way out of any contract blah blah, I would of been out $$$... your giving out advice that could of hurt people.

 

[sandyclaus]

Please just stop your desperate arguments to attempt to justify that your current lease is not valid.

It's time you paid money to an attorney to hear the same things you've been told here.

Gail

I want to reiterate this little bitty part of OPs argument, because it is so telling of WHY he's fighting so hard here:

... I saw it had someone else's name on it and thought it would be completely invalid and non-binding - so thats the reason I signed! What do you have to lose right? lol ...

Whereas he figured he could just string the LL along before, NOW he is trying desperately to wiggle out of that deep hole he's managed to dig for himself.

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive."

As I said before, the joke is now on HIM.

 

[netfocus]

Whereas he figured he could just string the LL along before, NOW he is trying desperately to wiggle out of that deep hole he's managed to dig for himself.

edited to be nice...

Btw, I will add that the original contract was and is completely invalid - so there is no joke on me, I was right. The only reason I signed the initial one was to give me a night to sleep on it, sorry but thats life for a leasing agent - don't expect me to shed a tear over it. It was my later actions when I decided I did want the place which mattered.

 

[netfocus]

I haven't seen the contract or the purported amendments. The key will be if there was an offer, and acceptance and consideration for each of the amendments. What the contract is is what it is. You clearly don't want it to be what the other side wants it to be. I don't know the result, but I do know that your argument the contract wasn't signed is not going to be determinative.

I really need to know does the newer contract invalidate the old contract, if all sides agree in the form of signing the new contract; can you tell me that?

 

[Gail in Georgia]

" All Iv'e heard here is a bunch of Trolls throwing out Ad Hominem attacks and Red Herring's in response to my logic. Should have known better to post in a forum full of bitter landlords. "

Neither a troll nor a bitter landlord. And your logic sucks, by the way.

Read this over very slowly and attempt to absorb it.

1. You were provided a lease that you signed, implying (perhaps correctly, perhaps incorrectly) that you had the mental capacity and intelligence to review it and once signed, legally binding you to the lease agreement.

2. An error was found and the page that contained that error was replaced with the correct information and provided to you. There was no entirely "new" contract provided to you; simply a revision of one page of the original contract.

3. You placed your initials on that page, indicating you agreed to the changes stipulated on that page.

4. The new page replaced the original page with the error.

It doesn't matter that the only reason you signed the first time around was that you could now have a night to "sleep" on your decision. Unlike a few (not all, by the way) contracts, contracts that involve real estate do not have a "cooling off" period where a person has 72 hours to change their mind after this has been signed. The fact that you later changed your mind plays no role in our legal obligation to this lease.

If this should, by any chance, go to court, your arguments regarding signatures versus initials versus..whatever..will all be moot once the judge holds the lease up and simply asks you "did you initial and sign this document?" and you plan to give the truthful answer.

Gail