Can school give student cleaning detention?

[codyII]

Switching schools will not cancel this out.

Ever hear of the oft threatened "permanent record"?

lol

Ever heard of Santa.

 

[randomguy]

@cyjeff, didn't come here looking for sympathy. Came here looking for legal information. Also permanent record do not really mean anything. It is more of teachers scare tactic than anything else.

@cdwjava, she is 3.8 gpa student so i really am not worry about it

@cbj, students job is go to school and learn and not do janitor job such cleaning table, sweeping floor, mopping. This is not Japan, Mexico, German etc where it's normal for student to do such thing.

 

[CdwJava]

Wonderful ... she's a 3.8 student. Ever seen what kids of perceived privilege get involved in? Do you really think that only dropouts commit crimes or have messed up lives?

A sense of self-righteousness and privilege will not serve her well in her future. Self-confidence is one thing, but consequences for one's actions is a valuable character tool. I have a niece that is a protected little princess, too. Ever seen the movie Mean Girls? That's her. She has superficial friendships, meaningless relationships, and while brilliant (with a 4.0 GPA) she has few friends and manages to offend most anyone she is in touch with for more than 15 minutes due to her abrasive manner. Brilliant, but a *itch.

You are not doing her any favors by protecting her from the consequences of her actions now. When there comes a day that daddy cannot bail her out, reality will be a harsh teacher. It would be better that she learn responsibility today rather than tomorrow.

Now, of course I know I just wasted my time because you will dismiss everything I just wrote because you are convinced of your princess's importance and the fact that you and yours are beyond such menial punishments - perhaps above punishment altogether. But, perhaps one day, some of the rantings that have been posted here will be repeated to you - or to her - and the truth will finally seep in.

Oh, and my 3.8 son is doing just fine ... for one punishment, he had to go clean out horse stalls on a friend's ranch. Oh, he ain't ever lied about where he was since then. Ain't consequences grand?!

 

[Country Living]

@cyjeff, didn't come here looking for sympathy. Came here looking for legal information. Also permanent record do not really mean anything. It is more of teachers scare tactic than anything else.

@cdwjava, she is 3.8 gpa student so i really am not worry about it

@cbj, students job is go to school and learn and not do janitor job such cleaning table, sweeping floor, mopping. This is not Japan, Mexico, German etc where it's normal for student to do such thing.

Her 3.8 GPA doesn't mean squat in real life. She's probably skating through easy classes where nothing is required of her except to show up. The ONLY time something's been required of her, daddy bails her out. The sad thing is the only lessons she's learning from you is how to be a snob and that rules don't apply to her.

You are right about one thing: a student's job is to go to school. It's the parent's job to teach them responsibility, accountability, tolerance, respect, structure, integrity, honesty, and other values that let them become a productive member of society.

 

[cyjeff]

@cyjeff, didn't come here looking for sympathy. Came here looking for legal information. Also permanent record do not really mean anything. It is more of teachers scare tactic than anything else.

I assure you that her discipline record is a real and valid document that will follow her.

in these times of assumed liability, any record which may enhance or limit a school's liability is kept strongly updated.

@cbj, students job is go to school and learn and not do janitor job such cleaning table, sweeping floor, mopping. This is not Japan, Mexico, German etc where it's normal for student to do such thing.

That is just racist.

As far as I know, every house on the planet... in Belgium or Bakersfield... needs to be cleaned.

To say that your princess shouldn't have to sets unrealistic expectations.

So... if you can afford a maid, why isn't princess in private school where the maid can come with her?

 

[cyjeff]

Any bets on how long until daddy is on here because princess just got drunk or high and wants to figure out how she can avoid the DUI?

After all, she only parked illegally. Granted, she parked on the maid's chest, but that isn't even a crime, is it?

The maid didn't even have a B average in high school!

 

[stealth2]

she is 3.8 gpa student

Said it before, will say it again. A 3.8 isn't all that impressive these days. Not with Honors and AP classes that pull 5.0 and 6.0 credits, respectively.

My senior child (who is pulling a much more impressive GPA than your little princess's) knows that if his phone is on during the school day and I find out? He will NOT be serving detention - he will be working the infraction off. At school AND at home. But then... he's not averse to a bit of work. He wouldn't give your little princess the time of day.

 

[>Charlotte<]

The maid didn't even have a B average in high school!

Also, she was German.

 

[Proserpina]

Also, she was German.

OK look, this is twice in two minutes you've made me snorkle Something Quite Strong out of my nose.

Warning next time, please?!

 

[Alex23]

While I was reading this thread I thought about all of the places I've worked and all of the times I've cleaned up after people. Try to teach your kid to enjoy being young while it lasts.

 

[cbg]

In actual fact, it is *not* "the janitor's job* to clean up. It is the job of anyone the school decides to assign to the task.

 

[randomguy]

In actual fact, it is *not* "the janitor's job* to clean up. It is the job of anyone the school decides to assign to the task.

Is that so? Last time I checked janitors get paid to clean. So yes it is in their job descrption.

Student job is to go to school and learn, it's NOT student job to clean facility, especially for free.

@(everyone), being that we had a maid, why should my daughter do house cleaning? It would be stupid to have a maid and still clean up while maid is there. All of you are welcome to have your kids do cleaning at home, at school and any other place you decide. As a parent, we each are free to make those decision.

Also this board name is "free legal advice", i will say you failed being that only reply i got was NO. There was no explanation of why that is the case, not a single person have explained why child manual labor law do not prohibit schools for giving student cleaning detention.

 

[justalayman]

It is not controlled as child labor because it is not considered to be labor, as in a job. It is simply part of the school experience. The purpose is not to exploit them as labor. It is to teach them there are rules and when you break the rules, there are consequences.



If you have such a problem with your children doing manual labor, then refuse to allow your kids to do the manual labor but you will eventually be faced with a punishment you cannot refuse to allow. After this, there would probably be detention, suspension, or expulsion.

I'll tell you what. Why not just ignore everything you have been told here and call the department of labor and file a complaint of violations of the child labor laws. See how far that gets you.



and why would you have your children clean up when you have a maid?

So they learn a little responsibility for themselves. So they have respect for what it means to do a little manual labor and to learn why they need to make a serious effort in school so they are not limited to manual labor jobs in their future.

 

[randomguy]

It is not controlled as child labor because it is not considered to be labor, as in a job. It is simply part of the school experience. The purpose is not to exploit them as labor. It is to teach them there are rules and when you break the rules, there are consequences.



If you have such a problem with your children doing manual labor, then refuse to allow your kids to do the manual labor but you will eventually be faced with a punishment you cannot refuse to allow. After this, there would probably be detention, suspension, or expulsion.

I'll tell you what. Why not just ignore everything you have been told here and call the department of labor and file a complaint of violations of the child labor laws. See how far that gets you.



and why would you have your children clean up when you have a maid?

So they learn a little responsibility for themselves. So they have respect for what it means to do a little manual labor and to learn why they need to make a serious effort in school so they are not limited to manual labor jobs in their future.

The issue with ths school being resolved, she got regulator detention as i posted before(posting again in case some people missed it the first time). Also asking someone to do cleaning that is not trained is asking for trouble.

It's unlikely that in my situation my daughter would need to learn that lesson being that she is doing well in school.

 

[cbg]

Yes, she's doing so well in school that you're here asking the question in the first place.