Look here's the point. SOme of the founding fathers did smoke marijuana. Washington wrote in his diary about seperating the females and males and his angst about thinking he was a little too late.Anyone with any formal drug training knows the only reason he would have made this statement was if he was growing sinsemilla(seedless pot), and the only reason to do this, surprise, is if you're smoking it. People do not do that to grow hemp. There are also other references to bowls of marijuana and smoking so if you guys want to live in denial about the whole thing because it doesn't suit your ideas of this country that's fine, it's really a moot point to argue about anyways. ANd there is nothing "suspect" about my reference simply because you have a prejudice against norml. Norml obviously has a bias as far as wanting certain laws changed, But they're up front about it and that does not detract from the factual quotes they reference from the founding fathers. At any rate, its really a stupid thing to focus so much energy on, you believe what you want to believe, and I'll believe what I want to, but the quotes are still true, that much you can't deny, you can only try to manipulate the meaning of the language which I think is hard to do with a statement like I prefer a bowl of pot leaves to a glass of alcohol, but go ahead and try.
Carl made a statement, I disagreed and provided a reference. Other people like seniorjudge hopped on the bandwagon asking me to provide more references. Not my job. You're interested in the subject and disagree with me, provide your own references, do your own research, but quit trying to put the burden on me, this is not a court room and the burden is just as much on you to disprove me as it is on me to prove it to you. You are not above me.And you have failed to provide 0 references to counter and simply criticized me, well how convenient. You have two hands and a brain as well, it is not my job to hold your hand and it is also not my job to convince you of something you don't want to be convinced about in the first place. It's very disengenuous.
The other thing that strikes me about this forum is the attitudes that supposed LE give to people here. Not particularly this thread(because carl seems like a good reasonable man) but others like bb, and jetx seem to love to get on their high horse and then call people names like stupid and retard. It really just shows a lack of class on your guys's part, especially considering you are posing as LE. It's sad, at first I want to think these guys aren't LE with this level of immaturity. And then I think about it again, and it makes perfect sense that these guys are LE.LOL. You guys really should look at how you treat other people. Alot of you seem to feel the need to put others down in order to boost your own selfesteem, all in the context of law discussion, very sad. Again not everyone is this way, but the sickness is there.
I'm not going to get into the 4th amendment thing, but I will say this as I said before. The creators of this country wanted people to have freedom. PArt of that freedom means people have the right to live how they want to live as long as it does not encroach on others people liberty or private property. Very very simple. That is it. If iwant to shoot up heroin thats my damn perogative. People have the right to ingest and do with their body what they please, and although it is not what happens today, that was the original intent of the constitution. Nowadays the constitution doesn't mean a whole lot, and interestingly this whole country more and more is becoming a police state, with the government encroaching deeper and deeper in to peoples homes and rights.
