Child support accounting O/T

[LdiJ]

I really wish you'd stop putting words in my mouth.

Someone said that NCP would not receive the information. In MO, NCP CAN receive the information. That is the point I was making. I never said that in MO it didn't require evidence.



Which means that under at least some circumstances, NCP will have access to information about how CP spends the money.

What part of that don't you understand?

I don't think that you understand what I am saying and I think its really important that you do, because if you start advising people that its possible, you could send some parents in a direction that could seriously annoy a judge. There is little that looks worse to a judge than an angry ncp demanding to know how their money is spent.

I have only twice, in at least 20 years of participating on forums like these, and in the real world, seen a case where parent got a judge to order that any kind of accounting for child support be made.

In both instances the circumstances were extreme, and CPS was involved in the child's life regarding neglect. In both instances the children's basic needs were clearly being neglected...and by basic needs, I mean the need for food, basic shelter and basic clothing.

Just because the law allows for there to be circumstances under which an accounting can be required, doesn't mean that a judge will order that unless the circumstances are extreme. Why? Because it leads to micromanaging, and judges are not going to encourage that to happen or encourage the court's time to be wasted by two parent's disagreements over how child support should be spent.

So, the answer that we give people is an accurate one...and the best one for them to get to serve their best interests. If we see a case that appears to be one of those really extreme ones, (ncp paying a high amount of child support but children clearly neglected by legal standards) then we can give advice based on the rare exception.

The CO law is clearly a "sap". It has no teeth because ordering parents to mediation to work out their differences is clearly a sap since nobody is required to divulge anything in mediation...or even come to any agreement.

 

[mistoffolees]

I don't think that you understand what I am saying and I think its really important that you do, because if you start advising people that its possible, you could send some parents in a direction that could seriously annoy a judge. There is little that looks worse to a judge than an angry ncp demanding to know how their money is spent.

I have only twice, in at least 20 years of participating on forums like these, and in the real world, seen a case where parent got a judge to order that any kind of accounting for child support be made.

In both instances the circumstances were extreme, and CPS was involved in the child's life regarding neglect. In both instances the children's basic needs were clearly being neglected...and by basic needs, I mean the need for food, basic shelter and basic clothing.

Just because the law allows for there to be circumstances under which an accounting can be required, doesn't mean that a judge will order that unless the circumstances are extreme. Why? Because it leads to micromanaging, and judges are not going to encourage that to happen or encourage the court's time to be wasted by two parent's disagreements over how child support should be spent.

So, the answer that we give people is an accurate one...and the best one for them to get to serve their best interests. If we see a case that appears to be one of those really extreme ones, (ncp paying a high amount of child support but children clearly neglected by legal standards) then we can give advice based on the rare exception.

The CO law is clearly a "sap". It has no teeth because ordering parents to mediation to work out their differences is clearly a sap since nobody is required to divulge anything in mediation...or even come to any agreement.

And, as usual, you want to ignore the law based on your own limited experience.

The law is quite clear that CP MAY have to account for CS under at least some circumstances. Since most of us here prefer to give accurate advice to people, I wanted to make everyone aware that in a number of states it IS possible that a court could order CP to account for their expenditures - at least under some circumstances.

Bury your head in the sand if you wish - it won't change the facts.

 

[LdiJ]

And, as usual, you want to ignore the law based on your own limited experience.

The law is quite clear that CP MAY have to account for CS under at least some circumstances. Since most of us here prefer to give accurate advice to people, I wanted to make everyone aware that in a number of states it IS possible that a court could order CP to account for their expenditures - at least under some circumstances.

Bury your head in the sand if you wish - it won't change the facts.

I am pretty sure that your experiences are a lot more limited than mine. I also think that your experiences are a lot more limited than those attorneys who post here and give the same answers.

I live in one of the states on your list and I know of no one currently who is required to account for how child support is spent. If you asked any attorney in my state they would give the same advice that we give here.

My concern is for the posters. My concern is that they not be encouraged to do something that could cause a judge to view them negatively, unless they are in one of those rare situations that warrant it.

 

[mistoffolees]

I am pretty sure that your experiences are a lot more limited than mine. I also think that your experiences are a lot more limited than those attorneys who post here and give the same answers.

I also happen to think that the law matters. In a bunch of states, the law allows for CP to be ordered to account for their CS money. You're even admitting that it sometimes happens.

So why are you so eager to pretend that your experience trumps the law - and that it's OK for you to ignore the cases that you've dealt with that actually support my statements?

I live in one of the states on your list and I know of no one currently who is required to account for how child support is spent. If you asked any attorney in my state they would give the same advice that we give here.

And, yes, we know that you know everything there is to know about every court case that's ever occurred in your state and you're the official spokesperson for every attorney in the state. Pardon me for forgetting that.

My concern is for the posters. My concern is that they not be encouraged to do something that could cause a judge to view them negatively, unless they are in one of those rare situations that warrant it.

I'm not encouraging anyone to do anything - except for seniors to be careful about making a blanket statement that CP can not be ordered to account for their expenditures.