Citation 21453(a) VC Red Light

[kimcjason]

With regards to your allegation that the officer HAD to have entered on a red light, how do you know? It's possible that he began his turn on a yellow, or had to yield for other traffic. You admit, yourself, that you had looked away and were not paying attention until you suddenly looked up and started your turn on a green. Therefore, you'd be guessing as to what the officer may or may not have done.

You are free to contest the cite, and even to play the games that AgentSmithers suggests. However, keep in mind that if you do go to trial and lose, you will likely lose the opportunity for traffic school.

However, that being said, I can't understand how the officer might argue a violation of VC 21453(a) if you did not cross the limit line until after the light was green. Had you pulled out in front of the officer, that should have been another code section. If the officer testifies to an unsafe turn, then you should prevail on VC 21453(a).

There's either something more to this, or, the officer was a dunderhead, or, you had stopped over the limit line in the first place.

I'm sorry I'm really bad at explaining things thoroughly.
These are the reasons why I know that the police officer ran a red light:
1. I take the same route home everyday. The light for my side of the road doesn't turn green unless the left turn lane the officer was making a left on turns RED.
2. I understand my dad can't be used as a witness, but he was right behind me and saw the whole thing.
3. From the moment I looked down and the moment I looked back up was literally 1 second or 2 at most...

The police officer just couldn't have been where he had been with out running a red light. It's literally common sense. It my not be common sense when you don't have all the facts, and I would like to apologize if I wasn't clear enough.

 

[CdwJava]

And, do you know the time delay from yellow to red, and to the opposite direction turning green? I know of a great many lights where the timing is off such that it is instant. In other words, a car could enter on a (stale) yellow, and be in the middle of the intersection as the light turns green in the other direction.

But, no matter, the coe section cited doesn't match what you are claim you are alleged to have done. So, unless you failed to stop at the limit line, you're not guilty of violating VC 21453(a). Though, if the officer testifies to you having been over the limit line before coming to a complete stop, then you lose.

 

[kimcjason]

And, do you know the time delay from yellow to red, and to the opposite direction turning green? I know of a great many lights where the timing is off such that it is instant. In other words, a car could enter on a (stale) yellow, and be in the middle of the intersection as the light turns green in the other direction.

But, no matter, the coe section cited doesn't match what you are claim you are alleged to have done. So, unless you failed to stop at the limit line, you're not guilty of violating VC 21453(a). Though, if the officer testifies to you having been over the limit line before coming to a complete stop, then you lose.

Yes I do know the time delay from yellow to red. Like I had stated in previous posts, I take the same route back home all the time and I have also gone back and tested the left turn lane that the officer turn at. My light does not turn green unless the left turn lane is RED. Like I have also stated, before I looked down to roll up my window I looked toward the left turn lane and all the cars have already made that left. The police officer was coming down the street to make that left before it turned red.
I was at a stop at a red light well before the police officer even saw me. The only thing the officer saw was when we almost collided.
I'm not looking to get out of this ticket, I understand that there is some fault on my end.
Whats the best course of action in this sort of predicament.
Pretty much, I'm definitely not guilty of violating VC 214523(a).

Another question that I have is...
The officer did say that instead of giving me a ticket "improper use of lane" (i don't remember if that's exactly what he said), which would give me a point on my license, he would give me a red light ticket instead. In this particular predicament, did I make any mistake for me to deserve a point on my license? Does the "improper use of lane" even make sense in this scenario?
What type of ticket should I have gotten?

 

[CdwJava]

I have no idea how any lane violation, or sign violation, might apply here. And even if one did, they would almost certainly be a point on your license like the red light would be.