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Collection of Support Overpayment to California

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ajonate

Junior Member
What is the name of your state? California

At one time I owed some back support to my former wife, along with a $4000 debt to the State of California for public assistance my wife received at one time.

Last spring I reached a private agreement to settle the support obligation with my wife. Since I was living in Las Vegas, Nevada at the time, that agreement was made official by a Clark County District Court Order. That Order set the obligation to the State of California at $4000 payable at $200/month. Payments were to be made directly to Clark County, but were collected on behalf of Orange County, California. Purportedly, Orange County would disburse funds to the State of California.

I had been making regular $200 payments for four months (total of $800) when the State of California suddenly started threatening radical collection action against me. They were demanding $3600, while the actual balance owed was only $3200. I communicated with the State but they said they had only received $400 of the $800 I was alleging I had paid. While I felt extorted, I borrowed $3600 against a credit card account and paid the State in full, thereby avoiding any collection action. I assumed that we would eventually find the discrepancy and I would get a refund.

It has taken me quite a while to create a solid paper trail to the missing $400, but I finally tracked it down to Orange County. In a letter I received today, they admit that during the first two months following the entry of the Order they sent two $200 payments ($400 total) to my former wife. For their defense, they claim that they weren't aware of the new order for two months. From the tone of the letter, they apparently don't feel that the misdirected $400 is their problem.

Evidently California wasn't guilty of extortion, at least not knowingly, and they did apparently tell the truth about only receiving $400 of the $800 I paid. My problem is with Orange County.

If Orange County and/or Clark County have internal problems that prevent them from communicating about a Court Order for two months, I really don't see that as my problem. Likewise, what they do with the payments I make is not my concern. My only concern is to meet my obligations under the Order, which I did. If Orange County gave the payments away to the wrong party then that shouldn't increase my obligation. I feel that I deserve $400 from the party who misdirected the funds -- Orange County.

The question now is what I should do about it. Should I contemplate a small claims action? Do I normally have to appear in person to collect a debt like this? Am I just screwed for $400? Is there a downside to pursuing this debt? Would Clark County (either the Court or the DA's office) be likely to help me on this issue?
 


fairisfair

Senior Member
and your ex wife, who collected the extra $400 are you suing her too?

as for suing CSE, No offense, but I would like to place bets on that one.;)
 

ajonate

Junior Member
and your ex wife, who collected the extra $400 are you suing her too?

Orange County hasn't provided me with any evidence that my former wife received the funds, and I haven't asked her about it myself. All I have is an informal allegation in an unsigned letter from someone claiming to be a "child support representative".

It's my opinion that even if the allegation is true, it's Orange County's responsibility to track down any funds that they may have misdirected. Once Orange County collects payments from me I no longer have any control over those funds, nor do I believe I have any legal claim against persons or entities Orange County might have disbursed those funds to.

Therefore, I don't see how the fact that I overpaid Orange County $400 would give me any legal basis to file suit against my former wife. Even if I could prove that Orange County paid her $400, that still wouldn't establish that the $400 she received was the misdirected money.

As for trying to collect from CSE, I hear you. That comes down to the old saying, "you can't fight city hall." Maybe I can't.
 

fairisfair

Senior Member
Orange County hasn't provided me with any evidence that my former wife received the funds, and I haven't asked her about it myself. All I have is an informal allegation in an unsigned letter from someone claiming to be a "child support representative".

It's my opinion that even if the allegation is true, it's Orange County's responsibility to track down any funds that they may have misdirected. Once Orange County collects payments from me I no longer have any control over those funds, nor do I believe I have any legal claim against persons or entities Orange County might have disbursed those funds to.

Therefore, I don't see how the fact that I overpaid Orange County $400 would give me any legal basis to file suit against my former wife. Even if I could prove that Orange County paid her $400, that still wouldn't establish that the $400 she received was the misdirected money.

As for trying to collect from CSE, I hear you. That comes down to the old saying, "you can't fight city hall." Maybe I can't.


I would start by asking for an accounting of the last year of distributions. Further, request information regarding the manner of distribution of the last two payments in question. Did your wife (ex) generally receive her payments from CSE via check or through direct deposit?

As for not being able to prove that the funds were the misdirected funds, oh yes you will, CSE generally disperses funds within 48 hours of receipt. You hadn't made any payments for what? at least 30 days before that?
 

ajonate

Junior Member
I would start by asking for an accounting of the last year of distributions. Further, request information regarding the manner of distribution of the last two payments in question. Did your wife (ex) generally receive her payments from CSE via check or through direct deposit?

As for not being able to prove that the funds were the misdirected funds, oh yes you will, CSE generally disperses funds within 48 hours of receipt. You hadn't made any payments for what? at least 30 days before that?

I don't like the idea of filing suit against my former wife. In fact, if it comes down to that I wouldn't do it. My former wife & I have always managed to remain friends.

Yes, I had been making regular payments to Clark County prior to the Order I mentioned, which were purportedly directed to my former wife.

I'll draft a letter explaining my position regarding the misdirected funds, and also request a formal accounting of the disbursements as you suggest. Waiting for a reply will give me a while to mull over the situation.
 

ajonate

Junior Member
One more thing, since Orange Counry claims that they didn't receive the Order for over two months, I'll also draft a letter to Clark County asking when they believe they sent the Order. They were very helpful with the paper trail when I was following the money, perhaps they'll shed some light on this issue as well.
 

ceara19

Senior Member
I don't like the idea of filing suit against my former wife. In fact, if it comes down to that I wouldn't do it. My former wife & I have always managed to remain friends.

Yes, I had been making regular payments to Clark County prior to the Order I mentioned, which were purportedly directed to my former wife.

I'll draft a letter explaining my position regarding the misdirected funds, and also request a formal accounting of the disbursements as you suggest. Waiting for a reply will give me a while to mull over the situation.
Have you tried ASKING your ex for the money? If the state agreed to return or credit the money back to you, they would end up going after your ex for it.
 

ajonate

Junior Member
Have you tried ASKING your ex for the money? If the state agreed to return or credit the money back to you, they would end up going after your ex for it.

It took me a while to answer this because I needed to assess my real motivations. After taking a long hard look at this dispute it's apparent that the $400 isn't really the issue here. As far as I'm concerned my former wife can keep the money.

I have a problem with the way this has been handled and I despise lack of accountability. That's what we're looking at here; incompetence, contempt of court, redirection of blame, and probably even extortion of undeserved funds, all with complete impunity. I have to stop and think of what they would surely do to me if I failed to follow a court order for two months and left them $400 short. Contempt anyone?

Perhaps pursuing this issue is a waste of time and energy on my part. I admit that since I'm a child of the sixties I'm prone to being a crusader sometimes. Perhaps just letting it go is the best resolution to this issue for me.
 

ceara19

Senior Member
It took me a while to answer this because I needed to assess my real motivations. After taking a long hard look at this dispute it's apparent that the $400 isn't really the issue here. As far as I'm concerned my former wife can keep the money.

I have a problem with the way this has been handled and I despise lack of accountability. That's what we're looking at here; incompetence, contempt of court, redirection of blame, and probably even extortion of undeserved funds, all with complete impunity. I have to stop and think of what they would surely do to me if I failed to follow a court order for two months and left them $400 short. Contempt anyone?

Perhaps pursuing this issue is a waste of time and energy on my part. I admit that since I'm a child of the sixties I'm prone to being a crusader sometimes. Perhaps just letting it go is the best resolution to this issue for me.
I don't think it's a waste of time or money on your part. It is possible for you to get the money credited to the arrears. However, they will go after your ex for reimbursement. So, it's more a question of whether or not it's worth putting the relationship you have with her at risk.
 

ajonate

Junior Member
I don't think it's a waste of time or money on your part. It is possible for you to get the money credited to the arrears. However, they will go after your ex for reimbursement. So, it's more a question of whether or not it's worth putting the relationship you have with her at risk.

If I did pursue this issue I would first make arrangements with my former wife, assuring her that I would turn the $400 over to her so she would have the ability to give it back to Orange County.
 

ajonate

Junior Member
I'll be speaking to my former wife later today, so I'll discuss this with her.

For the time being I believe that I'll continue to pursue this issue, at least to gather background information. In doing so, it will keep my options open. While Orange County has made several allegations, they have not yet backed-up those allegations with documentation. For example, I don't know for a fact that my former wife was paid $400, I'm only aware of that fact by a hearsay allegation.

Among the items I can ask for are:

1) Documentation or a statement from Clark County as to when Orange County was informed of the April 6, 2006 Order, and why a two month delay might have occurred.
2) Documentation establishing the transfer of $400 to my former wife.
3) Statements from Orange County and the State of California regarding whether or not Orange County informed the State that the obligation was rightfully $400 less than the amount actually paid to the State.

You never know. When hard evidence is finally obtained, the facts sometimes don't match the allegations. I'll keep my options open and see what falls out.
 

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