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LdiJ

Senior Member
Actually, the IRS rather than the state court judges really does have the "final say" when it comes to the tax exemption. While the IRS normally honors state court rulings they are not required to do so. Therefore its VERY iffy if a state court judge could justify finding a CP in contempt if the IRS has already confirmed that the CP is the one entitled to the exemption. The state court judges don't technically even have jurisdiction to make those orders...even though its regularly done.

I would highly doubt that a state court judge would even attempt to find the CP in contempt if the NCP is in arrears.
 


nextwife

Senior Member
jen0529 said:
he has been in contempt of court for drug use, is he still entitled to claim him?

I may have misread, but it seemed to me that the contempt was UNRELATED to any arrearage.The contempt did not seem to have anything to do with any court ordered NCP financial responsibilties at all.
 
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somedude

Guest
There You Go...AGAIN, Beth!

(from an earlier post)...
As for my ex and his intelligence...well, he proves every day just how stupid he is

Of course, Beth! Since he's a guy...HE'S the stupid one. You're perfect. You never make mistakes. That's a long ass dream you're having.

Who's fault is it you're divorced. By judging from the tones of your posts on here, I'd say all hands point to you.

Now go to the drug store and get your Bitter Pill meds refilled.

:rolleyes:
 

haiku

Senior Member
LdiJ said:
Actually, the IRS rather than the state court judges really does have the "final say" when it comes to the tax exemption. While the IRS normally honors state court rulings they are not required to do so. Therefore its VERY iffy if a state court judge could justify finding a CP in contempt if the IRS has already confirmed that the CP is the one entitled to the exemption. The state court judges don't technically even have jurisdiction to make those orders...even though its regularly done.

I would highly doubt that a state court judge would even attempt to find the CP in contempt if the NCP is in arrears.[/QUOTE

*****In my husbands court orders he was granted the right to have the children as his deductions for all future years. With no qualifying factors.

She took one of the children for years in defiance of that order, and the IRS happily gave her the deduction as she was the custodial parent.

Flash forward a few years and my husband brought the matter to court with paperwork from the accountant outlining how much money this had cost him in taxes.

The ex was ordered to pay that amount to my husband, in the form of reduced child support, for quite few years, and was ordered to sign form 8332 immediately in the court room.

So I would not be so quick to assume that the IRS will hold precedence over a court order. my husbands ex did and it cost her.

If the OP ever comes back, it would be interesting to find out what her court orders say, because as nextwife pointed out qualifications for deductions are usually financialy based.
 

kat1963

Senior Member
I wouldn’t assume that either. My neighbor came by recently crying because she now owes the IRS. Why you ask? Because the judges in her child support case (custodial parent) ordered her to file amended income tax returns going back 3 years. She was also sanctioned $150.00 in child support or $50 for each count of contempt of the court order.
KAT
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
To Haiku and Kat,

Ok...I am an accountant and a tax preparer. Yes, state court judges make many rulings regarding tax exemptions even though technically they do not have the jurisdiction to do so. They do so because nearly no one will appeal their rulings. If they have the kind of money that allows them to pay the high cost of the appeal, the tax exemption is usually no longer of any serious value to them. The child tax credit phases out relatively early, and the exemption by itself isn't worth the cost of the appeal. (It would cost more to appeal than they would get back over the entire course of the child's childhood in many cases).

In Haiku's case the judge certainly did have the power to reduce the child support because mom wouldn't obey his order regarding the taxes. It was within his jurisdiction to decide a child support amount. However its possible that he/she could have been overturned on appeal.

However in Kat's case the judge made two blatantly illegal rulings. He ordered her to amend her tax returns, which he not only had no power to do, but he ordered her to amend them in a way that was contrary to the IRS regs, therefore contrary to federal law. In addition he ordered her to sign a form 8332, which again he had no power to do.

She could have appealed that and won...easily. However its probably too late now unless she is still within the deadline to appeal.

There has been some recent case law (tax court, not civil) indicating that the IRS may no longer honor state court rulings. There is some scuttlebutt that the IRS will decide to only accept actual AGREEMENTS which would contain the custodial parents signature, or a freely signed (uncoerced) form 8332. It sounds like the judge in the case Kat presented realizes that, to at least some extent, since he is trying to force her to sign the form, however forcing her to sign it isn't the intent of the regs.

Basically, the IRS has lost control of the situation which is causing some really serious problems and cost in tax collection and feels that its necessary to take back the control that belongs to their agency, NOT to the state courts. I have no doubt that if they decide to do that, that the regs will also be "fine tuned".

The IRS used to "hold" a second return that came in claiming the same child as an exemption. The IRS now no longers does that because is bogged down the system so badly. Now they process the second return but send letters out instead encouraging the parent who filed incorrectly to amend their return. They will still catch up with the parent who doesn't qualify for the exemption under the regs, but they will take their time doing it....which will make the interest go up, and will gain the government more money.
 
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audster

Member
Of course, Beth! Since he's a guy...HE'S the stupid one. You're perfect. You never make mistakes. That's a long ass dream you're having.

Who's fault is it you're divorced. By judging from the tones of your posts on here, I'd say all hands point to you.

Now go to the drug store and get your Bitter Pill meds refilled.

Thank you Somedude, I couldn't have said it better! But what do we know, we're "just men"!

Beth, Beth, Beth....Your missing the whole point....once more.

No one is "chasing your a**" around.

You were giving what I, and at least some others, as bad advice...

I thought I could be hard headed and argumentitive, but sheeesh :rolleyes:
 

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